I put this out across my social media on Sunday 22nd January 2023:
Here are clickable links from the post: Joe Rogan Experience Episode 1897 of 10th November 2022, to hold a debate with me on a future episode of the show.
My 10th December 2022 article “Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is”: https://grahamhancock.com/hancockg20-debate/
A further attempt to press John Hoopes to rethink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyQ4-PVtqRA.
Flint Dibble, University of Cardiff: https://twitter.com/FlintDibble/status/1614327451060178945
Odd for Dibble to act (on twitter) like it was somehow all his idea, publicly implying Graham to be “a coward” if he does not turn up for the event. Graham’s event. About Graham’s show. After Graham’s invitation to the entire world to debate for several decades. With such humility and a nose for context like this being the standard for objective rigorous rationalism, is there any wonder the rest of the world moved on decades ago? Talk about exemplifying the issue admirably. Well done Dibble. Keep going.
The event Graham has openly invited the world’s academics to share with him, on a continual basis for thirty years. Previously run-away-from by Zahi Hawass, now by Hoopes.
Oh, he will turn up alright. It is his event. About his work.
Hoopes refused – and then suggested an event with only his pet academics, excluding Graham from attending, but still, all about Graham’s work. That’s right: the only reason a debate is being discussed at all is because Graham has openly been asking to have one for a long time, in general, and in particular, with this man who has publicly insulted him and his work but who has never once showed his face. This same man, if “man” is not too strong a term, wants to, after decades insulting GH, turn Graham’s own debate invitation (which he is too gutless to face in person) into an event about, but excluding, Graham. These are the characters running our academic institutions at our expense.
Hoopes, nobody is stopping you having your own little clique sessions without Graham. By all means do this too, so both versions may be compared side-by-side, and critiqued openly. Not that anyone will know, or care, about yours, but still, you picked your team. Off you go. Back into oblivion and toxic irrelevance.
Note the pattern: yet again, pre-emptively and fictively accusing the victim of doing what the victim is right now being subjected to (institutional cowardice, lack of integrity, and bullying). Graham was personally smeared by Hoopes. An invitation was made – one that has stood for decades. It was Hoopes who ran away from the challenge Graham threw down for public debate, after vicious smears which he used to distract from the actual content under critique. Dibble is only involved after this fact. Then, beating his digital chest like some kind of dork beta in a hat. Dibble mate you missed the first thirty years of this discussion. This one is most assuredly not about you. Watch and learn.
I would personally add the condition that all participants in Joe’s hosted debate to be sharing a single enormous doob, to be passed between all three men. Take the edge off a bit, and sort the men from the boy early on.
Been following Mr Hancock for 25 yrs now since I read FOTGs and saw him w Robert Bauval dating the shaft of the Great Pyramid to around 10500 BC. So excited to see his theories come to light on JRE podcasts and now in a Netflix series. It is too bad Mr Hoopes will not accept his invitation to a debate as more and more evidence comes to light concerning advanced ancient civilizations and the Younger Dryas. Congratulations to Mr Hancock. I will continue to follow your theories on psychedelics as well as ancient civilization with eagerness. Thank you.
You don’t even need an archeologist really. Kayleigh queries Graham’s assertions in a respectful and balanced manner. She asks some good questions here, backed up by research, that are worthy of an answer. Never once is she rude or demeaning towards Graham.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZ-7dFyAhc&t=3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYfGeIMptMc&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQEzgMsFPNY&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cug0XJnasYg
“You don’t even need an archeologist really.”
Brilliant point, and with no intention to cause offence (unlike those specific people who publicly and egoistically identify as “archaeologists” but are really something else), one notes the resemblance between the onslaught of anti-intellectual academic archaeology against all the facts of geology, genetics, and even of archaeology itself (cough, Gobekli Tepe, end cough) seems rather like using feminism to dissuade a tsunami. Ain’t gonna work, and see all those fish? Guess who is on the menu today…
But really what I meant to say was, of course we don’t need archaeologists. No enduring or clued-in culture in the history of the planet – according to archaeologists – ever had archaeologists. Just ours, and only since the Steam age really. Perhaps archaeology is really just post-modernism with slightly nudged semantics. Hunter-gatherers and indigenous peoples never had archaeologists. Or so we think. Ancient cultures had their own antiquarians, and philologists, and people entrusted with “ancient” lore and with the interpretation of arcane artefacts discoveries, lore or sites. And I suppose, those people likely fell into the same two kinds: good ones and bad ones. Free ones and bought ones. Helpful ones and unhelpful ones, depending on who one is and what one’s agenda, political or otherwise, might be.
Did the artists who painted Chauvet (or the builders of the earliest layers of Gobekli Tepe twenty thousand years later but still eleven thousand years before us) have archaeologists of their own to interpret still earlier things now beneath the waves and offshore today that our archaeologists do not even know about and deliberately ignore despite the cognitive dissonance this produces when it is obvious and logical that not just some but most or all of the best land that formed humanity’s nursery until only 11k years ago is miles offshore and under a hundred meters of brine? What, exactly, are they waiting for? What is the excuse? “Might find God by accident” or something? It is irrational and boring beyond belief. They have handed Graham his fortune by creating the void he fills (sorry Graham you are a great writer but you know what I mean). They, not he, could be selling millions of books – and he would be reading them as avidly as we read his. Fucking do something for a change!
Ask an archaeologist about the antiquity of her or his own profession today and they will likely say what wikipedia says, or vice-versa. Does this make them a) bad archaeologists, for having lost the history of their own discipline, or b) good modern ones, for toeing an accepted line? Or c), have archaeologists just been terrible since the dawn of time? Is morphic resonance to blame, after all? Is it just a propaganda wing of whichever regime is in power, as history actually confirms in many cases? In which case why should or would ANY of us ever give it carte blanche instead of holding it to account as responsible citizens and mature adults have a duty to do?
Perhaps more worms in this tin than the context of Sid’s quoted words really asked for, but it stares one in the face nonetheless.
Graham, Finding you on Rogan in 2020 was a doorway for me and since passing through my life has altered. I own three of your books, and four on Audiobook, where you narrate and perform like a true boss. I’d bought Fingerprints for my Son to read when he was still in High School in 2014, but he never read it. So, I picked it up and cruised through it until I found the interviews on JRE. You and Randall have been the faces of Mount Rushmore for all of us who have been chaffing at the bit for deeper research into exactly these types of issues.
Academic textbooks have never been topical, nor are they updated to a large degree of frequency, based purely on economics. The dang books are expensive and its hardly surprising when the Academics shy away from the added expense and effort required to remain on the cutting edge.
However, the questions you have been raising for decades are legitimate, worthy, and as it stands, required by a growing population of watchful eyes and minds, thanks to your work and the showcasing of it on JRE. So many young voices are popping up and they are asking questions as you have done and I’m finding it all quite exciting.
Graham, I deeply admire you and your intelligent gift for communicating difficult topics with a common sense wit and wisdom. This is the true reason why you’ve had trouble finding a debating dance partner. What you and Randall did to Michael Shermer and his expert was almost Embarrassing.
It was also highly entertaining and I look forward to the exchange with Mr. Dibble.
Human beings have a long history on this planet, and there is great likelihood that our true stories are shrouded from us. Ancient tales from India take us back millions of years to hundreds of million’s of years, yet we barely have a firm handhold as to the realities of city life in Sumeria five thousand years ago. We are lost children, pointing at things we CAN see and using our imagination to fill in the blanks instead of keeping an open mind as to global trade networks and a long lost culture wiped from the books. The evidence is scattered and jumbled and there are gaping holes in ALL narratives going that far back. The very strength of Academia with its insistence on specialization, is precisely why simple passionate people on YouTube are helping to make inroads over the questions of lost civilizations, currently and will possibly expand research capacity by an order of magnitude.
Given the right leadership.
“Jack of all Trades and Master of None” is a phrase I’ve emulated, and I believe there is tremendous wisdom in cultivating a broad range of interests, as the focus never narrows to a spotlight that causes the periphery to fall into darkness. It is precisely along the edges of things where we are finding the remnants and clues to our past. We have no choice. The entire planet flipped on itself multiple times in our residence here and it’s gonna happen again. We need to be working toward learning from the past or we are doomed to sharing the same ignominious fate.
Thank you, Graham, for all that you do and for standing tall. Bless you, Sir.
Thank you Graham for your tenacity and passionate curiosity to dive ever deeper beneath the veils of half truths at best. You spoke to my inner knowing as a child and 40+ years on I chear you. I would dearly love to see you in conversation with Jacqueline Hobbs aka Oracle Girl – herself a doctor of anthropology but SO much more with a unique insight into the world and its history and more importantly where we are going. You could watch her interview with Sean Stone number 2 for some interesting earth insights – it is time we opened our minds to infinite possibilities as surely they have been confined and steared as much as society in general and as we step out of the old paradigm and into the creation of the new – the broader we can go the more wonderfully we can create.
I concur with Graham Hancock’s theories. An open mind for truth and logical explanations is needed here.
I applaud you sir!
“Max Planck, surveying his own career in his Scientific Autobiography, sadly remarked that “a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
― Thomas S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
An elegant and indeed authentic solution to the present matter may be discerned within this quote of Planck — a solution of which J Harlen Bretz may be considered an historic exponent.
Far be it for historians to benefit from the lessons of their own field, but if they did, Graham would not have to suffer, like Galileo, Bretz, and all the other people who made actual discoveries, at the hands of zombie dorks addicted to heirloom shibboleths.
Makes you wonder what the subject is for.
Actually.
Why was Dibble chosen to debate with Hancock and not one of the archeologist who appeared in “Ancient Apocalypse” and felt like their words had been twisted ? Also isn’t he specialized in Ancient Greece ? Maybe it’s just me but I am pretty sure there are more specialized archeologist who could provide a more complete and objective point of view. Also Mr Dibble posted a very very aggressive response to Hancock’s show, which is probably why they chose him, to get some hype, but that’s not a very good way to have a productive debate if emotions are high.
Who is this Dibble with the pun name (a stone for planting)? He has webpages at Dartmouth and Cardiff, not sure where he is now. His specialty is literally dirt and analyzing the scat and plant remains in ancient soil. I see no mention of a background in archeoastronomy, geology, paleogenetics, archeoclimatology, ancient architecture, impact physics or specialty in the younger Dryas period and the associated ocean level changes.
Is he the best that is available to publicly attack Graham’s opus vitae, or the only one willing to do so? I look forward to the debate if he doesn’t weasel out like Hoopes did.
Graham,
I’m a follower of your work, and an Astrophysicist.
Curious of your thinking here.
With the gravitational pull of the moon having significant affect on the tides – what are your thoughts on the Giant Impact Hypothesis – the slow collision of a second moon or similar sized small planet colliding with the moon to not have taken place 4 billion yrs ago(as the great scientists have put into stone) – but perhaps the collision took place 12,800 yrs ago causing catastrophic changes in our large bodies of water; plus, fragment fallout on earth with multiple large/small scale impacts all over the world – especially over the icy tundras in the north (depending what solstice the lunar collision took place).
To me that makes more sense for the great/violent floods, an other violent, epic nature events.
Hwvr, this thinking is also debunked by those that run the great science forums.
Looking fwrd to your thoughts?
Why was the video removed from YouTube? Is there a new/different link available?
Soooo, did this happen? Nothing seems to have been announced anywhere. Not here, not on JRE, not on Dibble’s twitter. If plans changed it would help to be informed. Did Dibble pike?
October has come and gone. Any update on the Dibble Debate? Filmed but not released, cancelled, rescheduled??? We need to know!!!!
I watched the JRE episode with Graham recently and it became clear that the reason Dibble cancelled the debate was that, since accepting the challenge, he found out that he has the big C.
It would be tastless for me (at least) to suggest that it would have been preferable for him to make that discovery after the debate was held, or that some other “more deserving” candidates (eg. Hoopes, Hawass, etc.) took his place in either activity, or to reference the extreme likelihood of him having been an enthusiastic recipient of the academically approved bioweapon injections recently pushed by The Party onto the species being an almost certain catalyst for this sorry fate, so I won’t do so here, out of something like respect and that. I hope he makes a full recovery today so we can all watch the debate, be persuaded Graham sucks, and then take our books back to the shop, and live happily ever after in a duller, beiger, more academically and politically orthodox world with no discoveries, mysteries or surprises left, because apparently everything is known and at universities.
All the evidence Graham needs for a debate about the existence of a lost civilization lies about 40 miles north of JRE headquarters at the Gault site in Florence, TX…
Most prolific pre-Clovis site with 2.6 million artifacts and counting, set on the banks of a spring fed creek
Consecutive human occupation for the last 21,000+ years
1 of only 17 Mammoth kill sites in North America
A small 16,000 year old building that is also pointed in the cardinal directions (oldest structure in the Western Hemisphere)
Evidence of large scale manufacturing (arrowheads) which indicates specialized work and therefore a food surplus, which is thought to have comprised mainly of game meat
Thought to have been a year round trading post where nomadic hunters would trade food for high quality limestone arrowheads (some quarried at Gault have been found over 500 miles away in all directions)
Also of note is the fact that Central Texas is particularly prone to flash flooding as it has the most flood deaths in the modern western world, not to mention the amount of rainfall that can occur here seemingly out of nowhere (the record for highest rainfall in the contiguous US without a tropical storm or Hurricane is in Thrall, TX at 38” in 24hrs (1921) which is in the same county that Gault exists in… if you include tropical storms into the data you’ll find that Alvin, TX holds that record at 42” in 24hrs (1974) and if you include Hurricanes then Nederland, TX holds the record at 60” in 24 hrs (2017))
Why nobody is talking about this site is beyond me