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10 years ago
drrayeye
Tyro, Hansen is right about the science, but wrong about the politics. Until a science policy consensus was formed, scientists ruled the roost. Once the determination was made, economics and politics took control--and that reality is more certain than the risk of global warming. For some time we have been in the world of countermeasures, negotiated by and through world leaders. Mitigatio
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10 years ago
drrayeye
QuoteAn army of climate change deniers has launched an attack on this site. It’s regrettable that they assume, rather than prove a global scientific conspiracy to conceal the truth. The climate change hypothesis continues to be tested and holds up well. That’s not to say there is no countervailing data, but it is unpersuasive at this point. Why are so many of the Head-in-the-Sand-Gate deniers so
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10 years ago
drrayeye
QuoteIn the week leading up to the Copenhagen climate change conference, skeptics and political opponents are seizing on the emails leaked from the Climate Research Unit in an attempt to short circuit global action on carbon emission reductions. Given that COP-15 is a conference that brings together lead CLIMATE NEGOTIATORS from around the world, it is unlikely that all this noise on the “climate
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10 years ago
drrayeye
William, for over a decade, self called skeptics (aka "deniers") have denied that humans place a significant forcing role in global warming. During this time, there have been numerous world meetings on countermeasures to global warming--including the one about to start in Copenhagen. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Fuzzy, This is a clear, straightforward, and simple popular summary of a great deal of data. I especially liked the voice over that repeated and illustrated the text. A good preparation for the countermeasure debates in Copenhagen. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
QuoteAnd as the war of words between the rival camps intensified, leading economist Lord Stern dismissed the sceptics as “muddled”. Lord Stern, who produced a detailed report on the issue for the Government, said evidence of ­climate change was “overwhelming”. He accepted that all views should be heard but said the degree of ­scepticism among “real scientists” was very small. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Dirk, The two articles present two of many possible perspectives on the hacking. The one I posted takes a position on the data issue. I could (but won't) take a position on the peer review process. You want to jump in on quality (or lack of quality) of the information systems. Let's step back and let the scientists present their divergent views before we do any piling on. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
20048. Eisenhower
Pete, If we only could put Gen. Eisenhower in charge. I strongly doubt that he'd either support the policy or the spending. He knew how to balance budgets. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Dirk, If you are inerested in scientific balance, here's another published comment: QuoteUK hack reveals climate science's ugly side, little more Someone broke into the e-mail system of a British university and made off with the private correspondence of members of its Climatic Research Unit. The resulting firestorm has probably told us more about the status of climate science than the actua
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Tyro, Other than my missspelling of "warmed" wasn't I clear enough? I strongly disagree with Obama on this one. I don't accept his rationale. I don't believe that he will, in fact, withdraw anytime soon. That's just a very weak token concession to people like me that doesn't mean anything at all. I'm not quite ready to take to the streets yet, or give up on Obama totally, but IM
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10 years ago
drrayeye
See: Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
and a whole bunch of articles pro and con. Many stories linked to this site: QuoteReporting from Washington and West Point, N.Y. - President Obama ordered 30,000 more troops into the fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda on Tuesday, but warned that the United States could not afford an open-ended war and pledged to begin bringing home U.S. forces in 18 months. Speaking to cadets at West Poi
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Gord, Are you attributing this Texas "bad air" to Ron Paul, W, Dick Armey--or members of this board? Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Sue, This is far from the first time this tactic has been tried. Fortunately some lessons seem to have been learned. The smears and diversions are less and less effective in avoiding conversations about countermeasures, such as the one soon to be held in Copenhagen. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Richard, There is no doubt that we have much more data of all kinds--often devoted to investigating the possible role of man in global warming. We just had approximately 500 major studies completed for the last geophysical year alone That's one reason for the computer models. Remember, we began looking for countermeasures a decade ago. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Richard, Scientists know that models are simply abstractions of gathered data into a comprehensive form. There is some (unknown) probability that projections from such a model are accurate. As the data comes in, the models are corrected. There is always some probability in such thinking that there will be no warming at all--and therefore no significant melting--that's the null hypothesis.
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Pete, If William hadn't responded, there would be no issue. We all must show respect. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Richard, The "science" involves the major study and loads of detail. As you well know, the only way to exhibit such complex findings is through computer models. The only way for popular sources to communicate these findings/models is through simplified news reports. You are not commenting on the science--you're commenting on the news article. The BBC includes the pdf for those with
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10 years ago
drrayeye
William, You know better than this. This thread is about a major SCAR study, not Sue. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
20060. Very unfair
Richard, Sue is referring to a major study involving direct observations on the ground by at least 100 scientists. You can download the entire SCAR pdf from the BBC article. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
20061. Re: Mythos
Dirk, The IPCC is doing the saying, based on decades of research specifically focused on whether or not man has effected global temperature. The leaders of the world believe them and are meeting in Copenhagen to discuss countermeasures. Best, Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Sue, You're right. This article is very well written and balanced between risk and reality. What is most important for us to face is the posibility that change could be sudden rather than gradual. It is a rapid rate of change that is most worrisome to us. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Dirk, Since you were having fun with cartoonish humor, I thought I might post a cartoon of my own. The spirit of the times (Zeitgeist) sets the agenda, and it's countermeasures to Global warming, There was a Zeitgeist time when we were trying to decide whether or not humans are in fact associated with with climate change as masured by CO2. That Zeitgeist has moved on (as Zeitgeists do), but y
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10 years ago
drrayeye
10 years ago
drrayeye
QuoteAs Canada’s Research Chair in Arctic System Science, David Barber explores the frontiers of global climate change. Leading one of the world’s largest International Polar Year projects, Dr. Barber will head a team of 200 international researchers in examining how global warming in the Arctic predicts the effects of climate change on our planet. The team will focus on circumpolar flaw leads
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Norman, I don't have a clue what AGW is and I've been following the studies that investigate human involvement in global warming for more than 30 years. It is impossible to answer your questions without much more background and a sense of perspective. Try this series of 12 ten minute Youtube presentations by a UC Berkeley physicist: This should give you enough background and perspective t
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Pete, The source is the New York Times article mentioned above. The response I quoted was one of the comments. The data related to ancient (within the last 1000 years or so) global warming comes from ice core data and is of highest quality over the last 400 years. The most recent data (the last 40 years or so) is very accurate and comes from the top of a volcano on the island of Hawaii (I
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Pete, I long ago made clear that I would spend my time discussing and reading about national and international countermeasures to global warming. That's why I've been posting on the very intereting events leading toward Copenhagen. I've posted several threads about both these events and relevant studies. If you prefer to dwell on hacked emails and your impressions of them, that's clearly a di
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10 years ago
drrayeye
Deep/Sue, I think that this is a very constructive act toward world consensus building. I especially like that commonwealth funding is split equally for accommodation and adaptation countermeasures. Ray
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10 years ago
drrayeye
devoted to hacked emails together with denier selective condemnation of the victims, haven't you realized (from the limited responses alone) that that the world as a whole is focused on a countermeasure discussion among world leaders about to take place in Copenhagen? Dirk, at some point you're going to have to realize how fringe, isolated, and out of date your thinking has become. The zeitgei
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