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7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
On BBC Radio 4 last week, on the Inside Science programme, there was an interview with Merlin Sheldrake who was AoM a while back. It is one of six being chosen from which will beselected the Science Book of theYear. It certainly was a fascinating book (my (older) son red it to me. Just thought I'd mention this. Susan
Forum: Author of the Month
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteI think there are many, many people who think that we can control the world. They delude themselves, I'm afraid. In any case, I was referring to the long-term geological events, not our temporary human ones, desperately worrying as they are. Those who now strive to overcome the enormous amount of damage our modern materials have caused deserve great credit but it will take a very long time t
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
First of all, thank you for responding. I appreciate that!QuoteIn case you did not notice Susan, or perhaps had forgotten, my comment was in direct reply to your opening post statement which placed your question in the context of my discussion.No, on the contrary! I quoted your topic title to point out where the word was from, but certainly not to imply that it was in any way associated or conne
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteShowing that Christianity was based on ideas of the zodiac was only part of the purpose of my paper on Christianity for the Age of Aquarius. The broader intention was to show that Christianity as expressed in the Gospel texts and the Book of Revelation presents a vision of human history, looking forward to an imagined planetary unity and transformation based on messianic principles, which th
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
The fact that there can't be many people anywhere in the world nowadays who still believe that we can actually control the natural world is another strong indication that religion is no use for that purpose. The work of science means that we know what our planet looks like from space, as well as a million other things. As well as the Hans Holbein biography, my reader is reading me 'The Body' by
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteReligion for 45,000 years has been appeasement of the elements. A means by which humanity interacted and feigned a sense of control.Thank you for your interesting reply. That needing of a sense of control over the elements is something I certainly hadn't thought of as a reason for religions, but which immediately makes sense. I wonder why our human species felt that need because even with a
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteI'm sorry Susan. What I meant was that there are dogs, only individual dogs. The notion of dog ‘species’ only exists in the human imagination. Don’t get me wrong, species is a handy idea to talk about the similarities of dogs. There is a whole science about what that means. But species only exists in the human imagination, dogs are what we experience in the world.Okay, I see what you mean! H
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteThe universal presence of religion in traditional societies does indicate that religion serves a highly adaptive function in social evolution, transmitting shared values, enabling memory of cultural traditions, and marking key transition points in life such as birth, death and marriage.Religious belief is no longer needed for those. there are plenty of other ways to live and function efficie
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteSusan, you seem to think that any time soon science will know everything.I certainly do not think that! There will never be an end to questions for science to tackle. Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteTry not to be disappointed with the reply. Nobody with new ideas have ever got any credit for it from that corner! I think it is unlikely that words of mine will 'disappoint' THN! However, I do hope he will write far less lengthy posts as I have to read and try to remember what has been written, being unable to glance quickly and read. Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteCan you show me a species? Thank you, The word 'species' is unless you can show otherwise, a word coined to describe, for instance, all animals classified as dogs. Obviously, there has never been a sudden, decisive change from one ancestor species to the new, but what other word would you like to use instead? Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteBut if people find some comfort in going to their churches or temples, why make fun of them? Agreed and that is something I have never done, especially since I had almost half a lifetime with a belief in God. Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteI think religion is for peace of mind.I think you have a good point here, but they don't seem to be providing much peace of mind worldwide at present. I think the question of Santa is interesting but a separate topic. Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteI consider myself a scientist and a metaphysician. I believe that advancing science is one of the loftiest goals for every individual but life is for making the world a better place by any means at all, and having fun without hurting others. There is, I suppose, an argument to be made to say that religions when first thought of were aimed at making the world a better place, but now? No, that
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteHmmmn, words like species, races, elementary particles, etc. Gosh Susan, that includes most of science!the big difference is that although there may be some doubt about some elementary particles, no-one believes that they hear prayers, or promise some eternal life , etc. No-one doubts that species exist and that the evidence of science can be tested and shown to be this, or that, or not. Th
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
Thank you for joining the topic, but what a sad, doom and gloom approach you have. If you are so anti-science, are you going to stop using the inventions that scientists have designed and engineers made - the sort of things that we are using to discuss and the medicines which I for one am grateful for as without them, I would have died long ago! Susan cladking Wrote: ----------------------
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteSusan, Gerda is talking about the same reality we all sense and explore, the Universe, other people, animals. To Gerda, these things are real and we humans didn’t invent them. Perhaps how we talk about these individual things is what we invent.I think you are very much misrepresenting GG here. GG can speak for herself and does so very well! Yes, we invent words to name and describe things
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
Quoteit comes back stronger. Thank you for response. Yes, the leaders or vicars (or whatever they label themselves) will rally people to resist enforcement of non-participatory selection of governments etc, but here again, what is this apparent* resurgence of religion for? It will be promising them something that is impossible to deliver. *I use the word 'apparent' because without statistica
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteSusan, thanks for starting this new thread. I was pleased to see that you build upon discussion in the thread I started on Christianity for the Age of Aquarius.Nice to see you here too, but I hasten to point out, politely but firmly, that I am not building on your ideas, but focusing on a particular aspect of religion i.e. the word ’for’, ]and you will see that I have picked out only those
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteFor the umptiest time, supernatural or paranormal is not a human invention. It is something that is there by itself and is a natural thing which is less understood than other natural things.That is entirely assertion. It is a human invention and there is zero objective (testable, verifiable, etc etc) evidence to back you up.QuoteThat you have no personal knowledge or experience of the paran
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteHallo Susan, In its original form religion was an instruction system for development of awareness. Integrated in it were music, dancing, sculpting, weaving, science and architecture.Apart from the fact that I think it goes much further back, thank you for a very neat, succinct summary of what religion is for! QuoteIn its degenerated form as an institution it is used to manipulate people
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteAt it's best, religion serves a relatively small group of people living continuously together. It has responsibility for supporting births, coming of age, weddings, and death.Thank you for that answer, which I think certainly does express a reason or purpose for religion. I’d like to add a question here, though: why religious belief and not a non-faith belief? But maybe there isn’t an answer
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
My thanks for all the posts so far. Quite a few more to respond to, but it's a bit late now, so I'll be back tomorrow! Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteGreen groups believe it is worth trying to save the earth from pollution. But it is not a religion whatever the individual persons believe about life and why we are here.So they are not using a faith belief to promote their hopes and possible solutions for a safer earth.QuoteYou believe strongly in the Newtonian old science. Your type of science belief borders on the religious. True science
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteAnd, what is wrong with this definition that makes the religious community not a or less a community?Nothing *wrong*, but the word 'community' is a far more general concept and I am not really interested in discussing what is or is not a community, but what religions are for for people in general, not necessarily in communities. Susan
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
Quoteto keep people in line of course! no seriously, i believe it answers questions for some who feel that those questions are unanswerable. For others it is a crutch. the world is a scary place, some feel better believing there's a controller of sorts?Thank you for your post and I think you are right. I suppose when beliefs were formulated with gods, they were possibly the best explanation peopl
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteSo you are saying a religion is not a community? That is very strained IMO. ButNo, not at all. But a community is a group of people, large or small. A religion is a faith belief, thought up by a few who persuade others to accept it. I looked up a definition of 'religion' and there are several of course, but the first one is:Quotethe belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, es
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
QuoteOnly science can include everyone. Unless you expand on this, it remains an interesting remark and does not seem to refer to why or why not religions are for anything! QuoteIs there a particular religion? The oldest is Zoroastrianism so I would suggest vendidad fargard 2. I would link that but I do not know how on an iPad.In any case, I am interested in what you think, not what any religio
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
Whether everybody does or not is a separate question, but if you think that is what religions are for, then please explain. Susan Wheeler Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Everyone gets land and water and ability to feed > off it.
Forum: Inner Space
7 weeks ago
Susan Doris
Communities are not at all the same as religions when it comes to the question as to what they are for. A community is the modern word for the grouping of humans together for physical survival and protection. Without those groupings, and of coursse language, the human species would probably not have survived. And, no, I do not] accept your version of my question. Yours will need a separate t
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