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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- So there is a phonetic > alphabet, phonograms, and there are logograms. The > logograms act both as words and can also be > determinatives, context symbols. Clear Manu, with this kind flexibility it's easy to mix and match any meaning you'd like. But it's even worse since Egyptologist use even more flexibility
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1 year ago
Duketown
Me trolling? You're reading you own reflection. If you don't care looking in the mirror, someone will step up and let the mirror look at you. Anyway, let's get back on topic and let time reveal who is right. > Martin Stower Wrote: > > To labour the obvious, the difference between /t/ > > and /d/ and /s/ and /z/ is voicing. Otherwise > > same point of articulation
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1 year ago
Duketown
edit: Continue in other topic to keep your topic clean. Sorry for the noise.
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower, your back! You're so lucky that those rules of engagement are so tolerant overhere. Where'd you go? But I did a little online-research on you and it turns out you are victim of an online impersonator, who's using your name in a crusade to destroy your reputation. He even copies your unique writing style, accompanied with personal attacks, slander and all the stuff you display o
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also evident to the clueful would be that I said > what I set out to say and have no need to expand > on it. I can imagine you have no interest in expanding your statements Martin Stower. But you cannot reduce them either. It's there, not written in stone but at least you are quoted. But congratul
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1 year ago
Duketown
ok, I'll leave it. Obviously you not so versed in circle, squares and triangles. Didn't you write a book about this? Let's go back to sounds. Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To labour the obvious, the difference between /t/ > and /d/ and /s/ and /z/ is voicing. Otherwise > same point of articulation, so it could be > difficu
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower Wrote: > Dispelling any remaining doubt on how seriously we > may take your complaints of “ad hominem”. Clearly, I have no problem moving from sanity to discussing with you. Here is the sanity you ignore: Duketown Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > triangle = pyramid > t ≠ d > > Go to kindergarten, show them a pyramid
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Duketown Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Martin Stower, > > > > triangle = pyramid > > t ≠ d > > > > Go to kindergarten, show them a pyramid and ask > > those 3-year olds how it's called. . . . > > Your lev
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower, triangle = pyramid t ≠ d Go to kindergarten, show them a pyramid and ask those 3-year olds how it's called. You can learn something. Then remember: same concept also counts for a circle and a sphere/ball. And a square and it's 3d representation. 1000 lessons later, you will understand that script is only a representation of (3d) reality around us. I see you have quite a
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are mistakes on that list. It cannot be > justified as such. You asked about Greek T. I > already explained it. The Omega assignment is > false. standard transliteration that is a "w" > sound not a "o" > The seat is "p" not "phi" > Only the first two sym
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1 year ago
Duketown
Thnx Troglodyte. I understand. Can you change the topic title to: The rationale for glyph sounds expressed in modern alphabet edit: I did it myself.
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To labour the obvious, the difference between /t/ > and /d/ and /s/ and /z/ is voicing. Otherwise > same point of articulation, so it could be > difficult in the early stages to differentiate > sounds with this much in common. > > Does Duketown imagine that the ancient Egyptians > had
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1 year ago
Duketown
Quote "I’m also really interested to know where the original assumptions about the sounds and meanings originated if not with Champollion’s comparison of the Rosetta Stone texts. Why would a translator need to use another’s work unless it be to consult the basic rules, the original dictionary? I found this concerning Sethe by Samuel Mercer in 1952 “He as well as other trained Egyptologists
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1 year ago
Duketown
Ancient languages can be reasoned otherwize it's no language without a message. So we have to build a corpus Old Kingdom Egyptian: [*] pyramid of Unis (oldest available Pyramid text: (best source for now) [*] Ebers Papyrus [*] the Abusyr Texts (temple records of inventory) [*] the Wadi Al-Jarf text, [*] a log of supply runs to and from the Giza Plateau, [*] numerous vital records of
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1 year ago
Duketown
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Manu Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ...he and others have > > deduced based on reason, deduction, and > ....drum > > roll....context. > > What in the world does "context" have to do with > incantation? Magic doesn't work
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1 year ago
Duketown
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Duketown Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And if needed Manu will correct me > > if I'm wrong, but most of the progressive > > "insights" happened before the wars. After the > > wars, nobody worried about translations and > > s
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "No, I know who I am..." > > Lovely that we can establish that. So not Petrie, > Descartes. > > So tell me more about this worldview of yours'. Is > there a blog or something where we can read about > that? No, not a blog. But Descartes used to be one of my favorites, before I u
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Who do you think I think you are, if you know > you're not? > > Do you know him? lol > > Here, read this carefully > > J.J. Hurtak No, I know who I am... aha, you think I'm sir Flinders Petrie? Although I consider myself a pyramidologist, I don't know what to find in that article. I se
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1 year ago
Duketown
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can you explain to someone who doesn't understand > glyphs why you believe the sounds are so important > to translation? I blame Champollion mostly just > for getting it all off on the wrong foot and then > having his work built on by later generations. Because sound is the LANGUAGE. The rest i
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1 year ago
Duketown
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I believe, if I'm right, the best way to attack > translation will prove to be through a > metaphysical approach; ie- ancient science will > need to be redeveloped. This will likely require > at least a minor breakthrough in understanding > their mathematics. Ancient Language will never be > tr
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is the second time that you announce your > departure after I told you I know who you are > > Why is that? I can't leave this one. Why do you continuously read something imaginary? Where did i announce my departure? If your interpretation follow the same style, I'm pretty sure my glyph understanding
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1 year ago
Duketown
hmm, it's not sure you are better in understanding hieroglyph, both intended - and let's say Cladking meaning. Don't be to cocky; this will bite your ass. Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > "Please clarify yourself. > The reason we are talking Charlatan is that you > made that a fixed point to derive a superior > worldview; meanw
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You just judged. You called him a charlatan. Congrats. You seem eager to score some point. Then stay sharp since I said I usually don't judge intention. But don't be fooled: I love judging! > "I don't have the idea Charlatan understood > anything of Semetic sounds" > Why does it matter if you &qu
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Charlatan? You mean he intentionally fabricated > the symbol's interpretation? > > Tell me more What do you mean with he fabricated the symbols interpretation? He interpreted Semitic sound to connect glyphs to the alphabet. But I am not like you so I won't judge intention. I don't like that and I will on
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are mistakes on that list. It cannot be > justified as such. You asked about Greek T. I > already explained it. The Omega assignment is > false. standard transliteration that is a "w" > sound not a "o" > The seat is "p" not "phi" > Only the first two sym
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1 year ago
Duketown
lol... I'll join because I like this topic! First of all, you make it way to complex. Please justify these choices Champillion made to divide Semitic sounds over Greece letters. That's all you need to do to go from sound to symbol. Champollion did this and he had his rationale for doing this. Since you use those interpretations as fixed point, I think it's only fair to explain how this hold
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1 year ago
Duketown
lol, Manu: 800 post @grahamhancock but he can't make 1 to explain his rationale, which is the foundation for most of his understanding and thus his linguistic interpretation. Besides this wrong choice he also prefers to demand evidence from others while manu himself is above this; he doesn't need to explain his rationale. @manu: Really, this was the strangest conversation ever. Everything
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1 year ago
Duketown
Cladking, You don't have to prove anything anymore. Now the burden lies with Manu. He also has to prove his views. Same rules apply for all, so let him talk why he thinks his knowledge is superior to yours. We all wonder, since I have never spoken someone in real life who trusted Champignillion. Obvious Manu does, so I am dying to read his rationale. Specifically now I know he has some linguis
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alright, so let me give you two options: If you > are who I think you are this post is for you. If > you are not who I think you are, pass over it. > > > 1) J.J. Hurtak did not formulate the Orion > Correlation Theory in Enoch keys 105 or 108. You > are gravely mistaken. You are engaging in &
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1 year ago
Duketown
Clear. You hide behind Champillion but you fail to prove (or even explain) your own rationale. Here are the choices Champillion made to divide sounds over our alphabet. Questions Manu can't answer because he believe Champillion is god. [*] What about the pyramid glyph mapped to T? How did this sound? Are you sure it isn't a D? How did you determine this? [*] And why again wouldn't Champil
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