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TStreicher wrote:

> Carlos Castaneda had discovered in the latter portion of his
> life that: "The extraordinary effect that psychotropic plants
> had had on me was what gave me the bias that their use was the
> key feature of the teachings. I held on to that conviction and
> it was only in the later years of my apprenticeship that I
> realized that the meaningful transformations and findings of
> sorcerers were always done in states of sober consciousness."

Sure, but those "meaningful transformations and findings" found in sobriety might have never occurred to them if they had never had their psychotropic plant experiences. It's sort of like the creativity of the Beatles. They normally worked in the studio sober, but with songs written under the influence. BOTH sobriety and the other-than-ordinary-experiences contributed to the final product.


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Further Castaneda Controversies 301 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 03:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 199 Sherman Peabody 25-Jul-12 09:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 210 Brooks Johnson 25-Jul-12 21:51
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 219 Misterx 26-Jul-12 12:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 199 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 22:08
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 212 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 202 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:40
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 209 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 13:43
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 201 PB Bytes 26-Jul-12 03:24
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 203 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:25
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 216 PB Bytes 27-Jul-12 01:54
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 317 Hoppy 27-Jul-12 20:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 159 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 00:52
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 207 David L 28-Jul-12 00:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 314 Hoppy 28-Jul-12 01:30
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 213 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 04:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 203 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:19
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 195 Glorious 28-Jul-12 08:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 199 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 19:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 202 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 19:50
Tricky business 205 PB Bytes 28-Jul-12 20:25
Re: Tricky business 198 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 01:52
Then again... 196 PB Bytes 29-Jul-12 06:59
success and it's effect on others 193 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:17
nah 199 PB Bytes 30-Jul-12 04:17
sorry 207 brucenyc1 30-Jul-12 05:21
Re: sorry 199 PB Bytes 30-Jul-12 05:48
Re: success and it's effect on others 347 Hoppy 31-Jul-12 01:46
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 209 Lorelei 29-Jul-12 06:31
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 227 Glorious 29-Jul-12 07:16
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 209 PB Bytes 29-Jul-12 07:37
Mod Note > Language Edit 206 Dr. Troglodyte 29-Jul-12 17:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 194 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:21


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