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>>It may be somewhat radical, but its logical as a viable explanation and one that I find more acceptable than the tomb theory.
It would mean that Egypt was able to reconstitute itself like the Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former self, after a calamitous phase in which other civilizations in the Near East and beyond, such as the Akkadian Empire, had collapsed and vanished.
What essentially Scott and I are saying, is that rather than the largest pyramids at Giza being built to preserve the king, that instead they were built to preserve the kingdom; in other words, they acted as a kind of "womb" for the rebirth of the kingdom, and this means that not only was all kinds of knowledge encoded in these pyramids - along with the astronomical and geophysical knowledge we find encoded at Giza associated with whatever natural catastrophe threatened the kingdom - but they were also recovery vaults to preserve everything about their culture - ensuring its rebirth or resurrection. They are not just 'seed vaults' as Don refers to them, although seeds of wheat and barley would have been stored as well. This really stems from the analogy we made with the Svalbard Global Seed Vault built only recently.

Gary....

What if the builders were not*.....Egyptians?

The Osirion,.....the Great Pyramid,.....Valley Temples.....and Sphinx

all of a huge block building ....which is devoid of the usual Pharaonic/Priest Cast boasting of achievement or intention

Its quite possible from Egypts 1st Dynasty onward,
its Adoption theory....restoration with additional building of a ground map/celestial mirror as Wayne Herschel has discovered.

Your Egyptian stylized religion might be a bunch of mumbo jumbo contrived by the Oligarchy to role play and keep the sheeple hypnotized by public spectacle.

Pharaoh's not going anywhere.......except into the dirt.

maybe in some distant age when the Gods** existed.....a King might go to the stars,
from 1st Dynasty onward.....I don't think so.

As Alan Alford points out:

Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.[end]

This tells me its a Socio Religious con....
Khufu's placating the Elites...who want to share in the Glory...ie...the Mastaba fields
Its an Elite vs the little guy game....which is hallmark of most nations History,
where the Elite/Oligarchy and Priest caste contrive the drama and the rules

In time....Pharaohs and Priest caste scribble over everything and even defame former rulers in competition.

For me....the Synergy which brought together Egypt s 1st Dynasty under socio adoption/restoration and rediscovery of the extant ruins from a far distant age makes sense,
they then cobbled together the Religion doctrines in order to secure rule.

We find record of these earlier Kings raiding into neighboring lands,mines,...
slavery....control of livestock...trade,
its a form of regional globalism.

The Greeks and the Romans with their multi god pantheons....warlike socio character,
sure...great thinkers,..engineers,...artists etc,
yet still...a control architecture which includes a personal salvation/worship system for the people ...with a Oligarchy sitting on top.

regards

T Bird


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 684 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 277 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 291 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 282 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 248 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 356 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 266 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 266 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 273 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 296 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 259 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 272 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 232 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 195 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 258 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 278 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 250 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 258 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 263 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 285 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 278 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 273 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 293 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 279 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 273 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 327 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 289 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 233 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 290 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 251 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 381 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 267 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 390 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 298 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 258 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 286 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 296 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 263 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 281 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 263 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 318 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 290 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 297 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 300 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 304 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 269 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 277 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 327 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 274 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 260 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 258 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 278 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 280 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 250 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 291 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 299 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 271 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 295 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 286 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 376 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 231 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 319 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 267 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 485 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 311 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 258 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 259 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 279 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 322 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 280 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 288 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 256 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 225 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 276 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 282 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 291 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 247 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 233 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 294 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 289 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 248 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 236 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 298 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 290 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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