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>>It may be somewhat radical, but its logical as a viable explanation and one that I find more acceptable than the tomb theory.
It would mean that Egypt was able to reconstitute itself like the Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former self, after a calamitous phase in which other civilizations in the Near East and beyond, such as the Akkadian Empire, had collapsed and vanished.
What essentially Scott and I are saying, is that rather than the largest pyramids at Giza being built to preserve the king, that instead they were built to preserve the kingdom; in other words, they acted as a kind of "womb" for the rebirth of the kingdom, and this means that not only was all kinds of knowledge encoded in these pyramids - along with the astronomical and geophysical knowledge we find encoded at Giza associated with whatever natural catastrophe threatened the kingdom - but they were also recovery vaults to preserve everything about their culture - ensuring its rebirth or resurrection. They are not just 'seed vaults' as Don refers to them, although seeds of wheat and barley would have been stored as well. This really stems from the analogy we made with the Svalbard Global Seed Vault built only recently.

Gary....

What if the builders were not*.....Egyptians?

The Osirion,.....the Great Pyramid,.....Valley Temples.....and Sphinx

all of a huge block building ....which is devoid of the usual Pharaonic/Priest Cast boasting of achievement or intention

Its quite possible from Egypts 1st Dynasty onward,
its Adoption theory....restoration with additional building of a ground map/celestial mirror as Wayne Herschel has discovered.

Your Egyptian stylized religion might be a bunch of mumbo jumbo contrived by the Oligarchy to role play and keep the sheeple hypnotized by public spectacle.

Pharaoh's not going anywhere.......except into the dirt.

maybe in some distant age when the Gods** existed.....a King might go to the stars,
from 1st Dynasty onward.....I don't think so.

As Alan Alford points out:

Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.[end]

This tells me its a Socio Religious con....
Khufu's placating the Elites...who want to share in the Glory...ie...the Mastaba fields
Its an Elite vs the little guy game....which is hallmark of most nations History,
where the Elite/Oligarchy and Priest caste contrive the drama and the rules

In time....Pharaohs and Priest caste scribble over everything and even defame former rulers in competition.

For me....the Synergy which brought together Egypt s 1st Dynasty under socio adoption/restoration and rediscovery of the extant ruins from a far distant age makes sense,
they then cobbled together the Religion doctrines in order to secure rule.

We find record of these earlier Kings raiding into neighboring lands,mines,...
slavery....control of livestock...trade,
its a form of regional globalism.

The Greeks and the Romans with their multi god pantheons....warlike socio character,
sure...great thinkers,..engineers,...artists etc,
yet still...a control architecture which includes a personal salvation/worship system for the people ...with a Oligarchy sitting on top.

regards

T Bird


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 666 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 275 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 284 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 258 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 255 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 346 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 251 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 256 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 284 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 249 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 243 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 262 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 205 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 243 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 217 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 275 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 232 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 243 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 250 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 255 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 276 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 270 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 266 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 284 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 319 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 225 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 243 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 374 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 255 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 384 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 290 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 250 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 278 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 288 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 252 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 273 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 254 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 312 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 282 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 289 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 286 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 298 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 261 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 264 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 320 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 276 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 252 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 249 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 273 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 240 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 278 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 289 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 261 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 276 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 260 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 363 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 218 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 301 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 256 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 476 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 302 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 251 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 251 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 271 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 311 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 267 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 271 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 246 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 212 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 267 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 259 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 254 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 233 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 222 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 277 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 282 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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