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Scott Creighton wrote:

> SC: That the AEs managed to get in and remove whatever the
> pyramids concealed is really beyond dispute - they did. And
> they even tell us they did (Papyrus Ipuwer).

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The sole surviving manuscript dates to the later 13th century BCE (no earlier than the 19th dynasty in the New Kingdom).

The date for the composition of this document is unknown. The papyrus itself (Papyrus Leiden I 344) is a copy made during the New Kingdom of Egypt.[1] The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.[5] [6] The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt.

Why should we consider this, supposedly later, document as a credible source for "pre-fifth" Egypt?

Morten


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 684 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 277 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 291 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 282 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 248 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 357 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 266 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 273 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 298 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 259 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 258 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 272 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 232 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 195 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 258 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 278 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 250 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 258 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 263 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 285 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 278 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 273 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 293 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 279 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 274 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 327 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 289 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 233 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 290 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 251 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 381 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 267 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 390 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 298 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 258 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 287 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 296 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 263 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 281 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 263 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 318 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 290 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 297 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 300 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 304 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 270 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 279 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 327 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 274 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 285 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 260 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 259 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 278 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 280 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 250 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 291 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 299 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 272 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 295 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 286 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 376 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 231 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 321 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 268 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 485 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 311 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 258 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 259 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 279 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 322 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 282 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 289 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 256 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 225 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 276 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 265 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 282 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 291 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 248 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 233 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 294 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 289 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 248 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 298 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 290 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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