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Hi Chris,

Good to see you here.

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CJ: Welcome and well done with the book. It seems to have got rather heated immediately in here.

SC: Thanks for the good wishes, Chris. “Heated”? Must be those solar concentrators! :)

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CJ: I find the evidence you have identified for seed storage quite compelling. It brings these structures into line with other ancient stepped structures such as the Ziggurats of the Middle East.

SC: That’s a great observation, Chris. Thanks.

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CJ: However, I think the idea of a SV type recovery vault may be stretching the idea a little far.

SC: We are discussing Recovery Vaults which typically would be quite different from a normal granary in that many other useful items would be stored e.g. vases, pots, plates, tools, weapons, important texts etc, etc. And seeds, of course.

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CJ: The other step structures are considered seed/grain storage centers for the living. They collect in the good times and re-distributed to the hungry during the droughts. As such how do you distinguish between day to day storage and the RVT proposal.

SC: A typical ancient granary would not match the colossal size of the Pyramid Recovery Vaults. The Recovery Vaults had to be made highly visible in a barren landscape so that they could be easily found. Their internal storage chambers would require to be sealed with considerable security/blocking measures to deter/prevent casual looting. You would not find such heavy security measures in a typical granary.

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CJ: There would surely be a need for many many storage centers in the ancient world. There should be many times the number of standard storage vats to RVs. Have you identified lots of the former and shown a reasonable way to distinguish between them from the latter?

SC: There are numerous silos around Djoser’s pyramid complex. Also, there are vast storage galleries a short distance to the west of G2.

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CJ: I would also like to know what precautions the storage vaults made to protect against the water that was found beneath the Giza plateau and at Saqqara? The flooding was a biannual event so it was probably a catastrophe of the ilk you are describing, one that would presume the need for good storage facilities.

SC: The large cache of wheat and barley seed found under the Step Pyramid (Saqqara) seem to have been perfectly preserved i.e. there does not seem to have been any damage by water ingress. Perhaps this is why all the Recovery Vaults were placed on high plateaus to guard against the rising Nile. The tightly fitted casing stones would also have been protection against rising waters. There is also good evidence to suggest that the items stored in the GP were placed there from the top of the pyramid (i.e. before the KC ceiling was set in place.). The three granite blocking slabs in the Ante Chamber would essentially hermetically seal the Grand Gallery.

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CJ: What makes you think they could really predict global catastrophes and thru what mechanic?

SC: It’s actually what the AEs believed. Their god Thoth promised he would send a flood that would drown all of Egypt. Solon tells us that this flood (great deluge) came “…after the usual interval…like a pestilence”. Two of the three dates we have found on the Precession Timeline correspond to periods of upheaval on the Earth. Whether the third future date does likewise remains to be seen.

Regards,

Scott

EDIT: Fix typo.
EDIT: Clarification.



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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 501 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 186 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 199 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 192 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 193 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 172 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 158 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 256 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 144 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 185 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 186 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 202 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 163 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 184 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 187 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 163 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 118 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 163 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 137 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 186 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 116 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 175 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 186 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 171 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 174 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 171 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 199 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 189 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 187 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 203 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 169 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 189 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 246 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 203 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 175 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 294 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 309 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 201 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 169 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 196 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 210 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 170 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 190 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 165 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 215 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 200 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 199 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 194 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 204 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 182 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 177 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 227 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
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Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 170 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 198 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 197 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 165 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 193 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 203 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 183 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 182 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 192 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 180 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 278 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 133 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 218 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 174 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 391 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 215 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 171 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
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Re: On second thought .... 189 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 227 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 193 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 195 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 175 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 128 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 188 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 185 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 205 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 175 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 189 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 159 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 141 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 198 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 199 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 147 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 196 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 189 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 201 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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