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Hi Chris,

Good to see you here.

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CJ: Welcome and well done with the book. It seems to have got rather heated immediately in here.

SC: Thanks for the good wishes, Chris. “Heated”? Must be those solar concentrators! :)

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CJ: I find the evidence you have identified for seed storage quite compelling. It brings these structures into line with other ancient stepped structures such as the Ziggurats of the Middle East.

SC: That’s a great observation, Chris. Thanks.

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CJ: However, I think the idea of a SV type recovery vault may be stretching the idea a little far.

SC: We are discussing Recovery Vaults which typically would be quite different from a normal granary in that many other useful items would be stored e.g. vases, pots, plates, tools, weapons, important texts etc, etc. And seeds, of course.

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CJ: The other step structures are considered seed/grain storage centers for the living. They collect in the good times and re-distributed to the hungry during the droughts. As such how do you distinguish between day to day storage and the RVT proposal.

SC: A typical ancient granary would not match the colossal size of the Pyramid Recovery Vaults. The Recovery Vaults had to be made highly visible in a barren landscape so that they could be easily found. Their internal storage chambers would require to be sealed with considerable security/blocking measures to deter/prevent casual looting. You would not find such heavy security measures in a typical granary.

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CJ: There would surely be a need for many many storage centers in the ancient world. There should be many times the number of standard storage vats to RVs. Have you identified lots of the former and shown a reasonable way to distinguish between them from the latter?

SC: There are numerous silos around Djoser’s pyramid complex. Also, there are vast storage galleries a short distance to the west of G2.

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CJ: I would also like to know what precautions the storage vaults made to protect against the water that was found beneath the Giza plateau and at Saqqara? The flooding was a biannual event so it was probably a catastrophe of the ilk you are describing, one that would presume the need for good storage facilities.

SC: The large cache of wheat and barley seed found under the Step Pyramid (Saqqara) seem to have been perfectly preserved i.e. there does not seem to have been any damage by water ingress. Perhaps this is why all the Recovery Vaults were placed on high plateaus to guard against the rising Nile. The tightly fitted casing stones would also have been protection against rising waters. There is also good evidence to suggest that the items stored in the GP were placed there from the top of the pyramid (i.e. before the KC ceiling was set in place.). The three granite blocking slabs in the Ante Chamber would essentially hermetically seal the Grand Gallery.

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CJ: What makes you think they could really predict global catastrophes and thru what mechanic?

SC: It’s actually what the AEs believed. Their god Thoth promised he would send a flood that would drown all of Egypt. Solon tells us that this flood (great deluge) came “…after the usual interval…like a pestilence”. Two of the three dates we have found on the Precession Timeline correspond to periods of upheaval on the Earth. Whether the third future date does likewise remains to be seen.

Regards,

Scott

EDIT: Fix typo.
EDIT: Clarification.



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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 666 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 275 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 261 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 255 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 346 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 251 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 256 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 284 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 249 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 243 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 262 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 205 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 243 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 217 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 275 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 232 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 270 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
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Re: BREAKING NEWS 250 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
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Re: BREAKING NEWS 276 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 270 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 266 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 284 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 260 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 271 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 319 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 262 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 225 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
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Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 374 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 255 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 384 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 290 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 250 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 278 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 288 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 252 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 273 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 254 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 312 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 282 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 289 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 286 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 298 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 261 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 264 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 320 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 276 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
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Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 249 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 273 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 240 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 278 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 289 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 261 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 269 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 276 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 260 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 363 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 218 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 301 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 256 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 476 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 302 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 251 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 251 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 271 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 311 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 267 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 271 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 246 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 212 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 267 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 257 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 259 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 272 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 254 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 253 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 234 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 263 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 281 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 280 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 222 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 252 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 277 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 282 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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