Good to see you here.
CJ: Welcome and well done with the book. It seems to have got rather heated immediately in here.
SC: Thanks for the good wishes, Chris. “Heated”? Must be those solar concentrators! :)
CJ: I find the evidence you have identified for seed storage quite compelling. It brings these structures into line with other ancient stepped structures such as the Ziggurats of the Middle East.
SC: That’s a great observation, Chris. Thanks.
CJ: However, I think the idea of a SV type recovery vault may be stretching the idea a little far.
SC: We are discussing Recovery Vaults which typically would be quite different from a normal granary in that many other useful items would be stored e.g. vases, pots, plates, tools, weapons, important texts etc, etc. And seeds, of course.
CJ: The other step structures are considered seed/grain storage centers for the living. They collect in the good times and re-distributed to the hungry during the droughts. As such how do you distinguish between day to day storage and the RVT proposal.
SC: A typical ancient granary would not match the colossal size of the Pyramid Recovery Vaults. The Recovery Vaults had to be made highly visible in a barren landscape so that they could be easily found. Their internal storage chambers would require to be sealed with considerable security/blocking measures to deter/prevent casual looting. You would not find such heavy security measures in a typical granary.
CJ: There would surely be a need for many many storage centers in the ancient world. There should be many times the number of standard storage vats to RVs. Have you identified lots of the former and shown a reasonable way to distinguish between them from the latter?
SC: There are numerous silos around Djoser’s pyramid complex. Also, there are vast storage galleries a short distance to the west of G2.
CJ: I would also like to know what precautions the storage vaults made to protect against the water that was found beneath the Giza plateau and at Saqqara? The flooding was a biannual event so it was probably a catastrophe of the ilk you are describing, one that would presume the need for good storage facilities.
SC: The large cache of wheat and barley seed found under the Step Pyramid (Saqqara) seem to have been perfectly preserved i.e. there does not seem to have been any damage by water ingress. Perhaps this is why all the Recovery Vaults were placed on high plateaus to guard against the rising Nile. The tightly fitted casing stones would also have been protection against rising waters. There is also good evidence to suggest that the items stored in the GP were placed there from the top of the pyramid (i.e. before the KC ceiling was set in place.). The three granite blocking slabs in the Ante Chamber would essentially hermetically seal the Grand Gallery.
CJ: What makes you think they could really predict global catastrophes and thru what mechanic?
SC: It’s actually what the AEs believed. Their god Thoth promised he would send a flood that would drown all of Egypt. Solon tells us that this flood (great deluge) came “…after the usual interval…like a pestilence”. Two of the three dates we have found on the Precession Timeline correspond to periods of upheaval on the Earth. Whether the third future date does likewise remains to be seen.
EDIT: Fix typo.
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