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However this raises the point of when was the Pole of the Ecliptic discovered /understood? By whom in which region?

If the information regarding this on the maps is of a later date, who inserted it? Just maybe this information was available to the Greeks at that period. Is there any positive proof [not merely opinion but firm evidence] that they did not have such material?

If it transpires that they did have such learning, then this map may not be the mock up that is implied as the information may well have been on a map drawn by Eratosthenes or at least written of by him.






Isaac Newton first understood the mechanics of the pole of the ecliptic in the 17th century. All the Dutch have done with the 18th century celestial maps is illustrate the constellations as listed by Ptolomy, the major advances in cartography were by the Dutch during this period, and they thus had the specialists to create such illustrations of the celestial hemispheres more accurately than had been achieved previously.




If it transpires that they did have such learning, then this map may not be the mock up that is implied as the information may well have been on a map drawn by Eratosthenes or at least written of by him.




There's no possibility of that, the Greeks of the time were simply compiling the asterisms and myths particular to each constellation in the form of lists, those maps owe everything to 18th century cartography.






If anyone observed the constellation Hercules and replicated it in a drawing...then if they understood which star had been the pole star...which they may well have discovered from Indian descriptions, then indeed the diagram would have been quite easy to create.

Fact...At no point in the work is that diagram seen to be dependent upon any known star map of any period. The concept is based upon the fact that Indian people had for numerous generations been travelling and trading with Egypt, Mesopotamia Greece and other regions and hence knowledge from the Indian culture which in fact was as widespread as the regions we now call Turkey would undoubtedly have been passed on. The rise of the seas would have been known. Other matters observed would have been common knowledge. Hence there is no doubt that the idea of Hercules being the polar constellation would have been well understood as the Indians described this in terms of Maharajah Druvaloka.

All that was required was a diagram of the constellation which would have been quite easy to create. No Star map other than a drawing of Hercules required...





Not regarding the manner you have projected the constellation around celestial North as seen from directly above or below, show me any ancient illustration of any constellation remotely rendered with the accuracy and lines of measure and referance as you achieved with modern celestial software.


For Plato the stars were living entities suspended on chains from the vault of the seventh outer celestial sphere, what he believed and what you proposed he was describing are poles apart.




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Pole Stars and Floods 229 paxton 03-May-10 19:39
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 134 Harry Sivertsen 03-May-10 21:48
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 163 Harry Sivertsen 04-May-10 10:02
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 265 Morph 04-May-10 16:23
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 278 Morph 07-May-10 16:40
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 138 Harry Sivertsen 07-May-10 17:54
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 213 Morph 07-May-10 21:47
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 101 Harry Sivertsen 07-May-10 23:38
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 118 Warwick 07-May-10 23:51
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 286 Morph 08-May-10 13:34
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 113 Harry Sivertsen 08-May-10 14:03
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 102 Joe Atlantis 08-May-10 15:57
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 136 Harry Sivertsen 09-May-10 08:24
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 140 Harry Sivertsen 12-May-10 14:26
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 142 Harry Sivertsen 13-May-10 22:03
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 231 Morph 08-May-10 17:28
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 154 Harry Sivertsen 09-May-10 09:39
Re: Pole Stars and Floods 266 Morph 09-May-10 20:10
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Re: Pole Stars and Floods 143 Harry Sivertsen 10-May-10 17:04
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