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Hi Zosimos,


Need to get your facts straight. The C-14 test in 1988 showed that the shroud was only 728 years old, and it was declared a fraud. Most people lost interest after that, despite the fact that the other features of the cloth could not be explained. As I noted in another post, the original C-14 test is under heavy doubt, and they are hoping to get permission to do another one.
I rather disagree that you could find so many mysteries in any piece of cloth you look closely enough at. Textiles from every culture are analyzed by scientists all the time. How many pieces of cloth do you know that have the negative, three dimensional image of a crucified man! Unfortunately, there are more myths about the shroud than there are facts. Take the time to research the facts with an open mind, and you cannot help but be impressed. How passionately people want to disprove it! Maybe it threatens their reality. It can never be proven to be Christ. But it has proven to be a mystery. Paul

Zosimos wrote:
>
> Actually, you could find the same sort of 'irresolvables' in
> anything that people were motivated enough to investigate so
> thoroughly. I think the reason that the Shroud generates so
> many paradoxes is that people are so intensely interested in
> it and will go to the limits of knowledge trying to prove or
> disprove that it is genuine.
>
> Look at the carbon dating tests. They took a few threads from
> it and dated them to exactly the century when the Shroud is
> first historically documented. With any other piece of cloth
> that would be it. But people who desperately wanted it to be
> genuine went the extra mile and figured out how it could have
> accidently picked up some extra carbon-14 during a fire. Now
> there is research going on about the effects of smoke on
> Carbon-14 content. Would anyone bother with this if the
> authenticity of the Shroud of Turin weren't involved?
>
> So rather than being something special about the Shroud
> itself it's simply the quixotic nature of human knowledge
> that is being demonstrated. And I think that is what the
> 'trickster' archetype is really about. The Shroud is just the
> accidental focal point.

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The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 1893 Paul Cochrane 27-Feb-04 06:28
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 519 Anne-Marie 27-Feb-04 07:13
Moderator Note 502 Jaimi 27-Feb-04 21:17
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 509 Lee McGiffen 27-Feb-04 12:32
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 571 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 14:00
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 508 fiascohoho 27-Feb-04 14:49
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 525 Lee McGiffen 27-Feb-04 15:10
D'Adamo... talk about synchronicity 582 ananda 27-Feb-04 16:33
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 481 fiascohoho 27-Feb-04 16:35
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 734 SunSword 27-Feb-04 18:36
Need source for your claim 540 ananda 27-Feb-04 18:57
Re: Need source for your claim 552 SunSword 27-Feb-04 22:19
No source or evidence? 567 ananda 27-Feb-04 22:44
Re: No source or evidence? 508 fiascohoho 28-Feb-04 00:10
Re: No source or evidence? 582 SunSword 28-Feb-04 00:40
Re: Need source for your claim 563 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 23:04
Re: Need source for your claim 541 ananda 28-Feb-04 00:44
Are you assuming... 456 ananda 29-Feb-04 20:15
Re: Are you assuming... 488 SunSword 01-Mar-04 14:39
Re: Are you assuming... 511 ArmchairObserver 01-Mar-04 15:50
Re: Are you assuming... 501 SunSword 01-Mar-04 17:23
Re: Need source for your claim 405 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 04:26
Blood Types 540 jameske 28-Feb-04 15:51
Re: Blood Types 551 Lee McGiffen 29-Feb-04 12:30
Re: Blood Types 441 jameske 29-Feb-04 14:40
Re: Blood Types 557 ananda 29-Feb-04 15:36
Re: Blood Types 527 jameske 01-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Blood Types 535 SunSword 29-Feb-04 18:15
Re: Blood Types 537 jameske 01-Mar-04 14:03
Re: Blood Types 514 Paul Cochrane 01-Mar-04 03:16
Re: Blood Types 562 Lee McGiffen 01-Mar-04 11:32
Re: Blood Types 891 Paul Cochrane 03-Mar-04 01:09
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 504 ArmchairObserver 27-Feb-04 16:15
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 523 ananda 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 548 ArmchairObserver 27-Feb-04 17:40
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 527 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 04:48
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 572 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 04:43
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 533 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 04:18
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 544 Mark Staab 27-Feb-04 16:48
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 544 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 04:55
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 491 Mark Staab 28-Feb-04 05:43
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 536 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 06:22
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 550 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 17:01
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 517 Mark Staab 27-Feb-04 17:17
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 552 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 18:25
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 606 Mark Staab 27-Feb-04 19:53
Mod remark 561 Kees 27-Feb-04 20:13
Re: Mod remark 571 Mark Staab 27-Feb-04 22:08
Re: Mod remark 494 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 22:36
Re: Mod remark 512 Mark Staab 27-Feb-04 23:27
Moderator note 536 Jaimi 28-Feb-04 04:29
Re: Moderator note 519 Mark Staab 28-Feb-04 05:46
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 545 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 05:08
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 515 fisherman 27-Feb-04 17:41
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 530 Paul Cochrane 28-Feb-04 05:41
Belief, Proof and what does it matter 508 Elizabeth Newton 29-Feb-04 06:54
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 495 fiascohoho 29-Feb-04 08:30
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 522 Elizabeth Newton 29-Feb-04 11:52
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 538 Elizabeth Newton 29-Feb-04 14:07
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 535 fiascohoho 29-Feb-04 15:40
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 545 Paul Cochrane 01-Mar-04 03:56
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 503 Paul Cochrane 01-Mar-04 03:32
Re: Belief, Proof and what does it matter 539 Elizabeth Newton 01-Mar-04 15:00
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 530 Trygve Hogebol 29-Feb-04 18:37
Re: The shroud of Turin and synchronicity 457 Paul Cochrane 01-Mar-04 04:24


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