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Yes, that was a great section about London's stink. Now it is the oceans, all over. Australia is trying to do with less plastic, but then the paper bags use trees! And somehow all this plastic still ends up in the oceans, together with old nets.

And the present Australian government still loves to think of digging up all that coal we have, but maybe they won't succeed there. I hope not.

I think it is all so awful, but mostly for the animals. We don't deserve all we have, but maybe we will soon lose it. Poor kids being born now.

GG.




Simon Prentis Wrote:
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> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hi Simon, I am wondering why and how you think
> our
> > civilization is or will collapse? I would
> suggest
> > our collapsing is overwhelming predicted and
> still
> > keeps on going.
>
> In terms of 'why', I think the two words that
> cover it best are 'greed' and 'ignorance'. We have
> the means to deal with almost any of the problems
> that could threaten the stability or survival of
> human civilization, but whether we will take the
> sensible and timely steps to ensure it is a moot
> point. I'm a bit wary of doomsterism, as in almost
> every age people have been worried about the end
> of the world (in the 19th century people were
> worried about the world freezing over) and mostly
> we've either been wrong or found a way to muddle
> through. There are lots of potential 'how's.
> Global warming, collapse of the food chain,
> pollution, nuclear war -- though I think that
> unlikely -- and even natural disasters (disease, a
> massive volcanic eruption, or a meteor strike).
> But then we are better placed to cope than the
> dinosaurs were...
>
> I have a section in my book about "The Great
> Stink" which talks about the way a decision was
> finally made at the last minute to sort out the
> sanitation for a grossly overpopulated London
> after the Thames had essentially become an open
> sewer in the mid-19th century. We're sort of at
> that point with the whole planet right now.
> Churchill once said of Americans that "They always
> do the right thing, but only after all the other
> options have been exhausted." That's a pretty
> human trait, I suspect. Will we fail at the last
> fence? Is that the answer to the Fermi Paradox,
> that ultimately any 'advanced' civilization fouls
> its nest before it's able to take things to the
> next stage? Can we escape the conclusion, as my
> mentor Frank Zappa once sardonically put it, that
> "It's probably God's will / That civilization will
> grind to a standstill"?
>
> I like to remain optimistic, even so. It's better
> than the alternative. If things are going to end
> badly anyway, it's still going to be better to
> spend your waning days feeling positive and trying
> to do something rather than feeling bad about it
> in advance as well. It may never happen, after
> all. We may find a way to rise above. That's the
> ultimate hope of my book.

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Helloooooo! Are you there? 55 greengirl5 10-Oct-21 20:22
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what I "know" 78 drrayeye 08-Oct-21 15:55
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Thank you Joseph 60 drrayeye 14-Oct-21 11:33
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