> It is true that Athens only has a 3.500 year-old
> recorded history, but that does not mean that it
> does not go further back. For instance, in 2015 an
> international conference titled "The prehistory of
> Athens and Attica" was held in Athens. One of the
> main conclusions of that conference was that the
> Attica landscape changed a lot during the past
> 10.000 years. Plato describes such changes in
> detail in the same book with the story of
> Atlantis. In addition to that, Strabo supported
> that Piraeus was once an island before eventually
> joining the rest of Attica. Indeed, the sea level
> rise during the period 4.850-3.450 BC turned it
> into an island. There are more such examples,
> suggesting that the ancient Athenians knew a lot
> about the prehistorical geology of their land.
> Regarding Plato’s story, in particular, he
> places Atlantis outside the Straits of Gibraltar.
> He tells us that west of Atlantis were some
> islands and even further away there was a big
> continent that surrounded the ocean (meaning the
> Atlantic Ocean). Did Plato guess there was a big
> continent on the other side of the Atlantic that
> also surrounds it? What are the odds of guessing
> all on that information right?
> Graham has talked about the Edfu Building Texts
> and they are strongly reminiscent of the
> Atlantis’ story. This adds credibility to
> Plato’s story. Don’t forget: Plato claimed
> that the story of Atlantis was curved on the
> temple walls, exactly like the Edfu Building
> Finally, I am not sure I understand Plato’s
> motive for inventing such a story. What did he
> have to gain? I would really like to understand
> this. Furthermore, Greek men were visiting Egypt
> at that time and it would be easy to check
> Plato’s story. I doubt that a person like Plato
> would not consider such a scenario that would
> ridicule him.
plato never mentions Gibraltar. the pillars of Heracles were at the springs of ister long before plato. Herodotus also mentions them there.
this is the first ever mention... everything after is fluff.
“PINDAR OLYMPIAN 3. FOR THERON OF ACRAGAS CHARIOT RACE 476 B.C.
I PRAY THAT I MAY BE PLEASING TO THE HOSPITABLE SONS OF TYNDAREUS AND TO HELEN OF THE BEAUTIFUL HAIR WHILE I HONOR RENOWNED ACRAGAS BY RAISING MY SONG IN PRAISE OF THERON’S VICTORY AT OLYMPIA, WON BY THE CHOICEST OF HORSES WITH UNTIRING FEET. WITH THIS IN VIEW THE MUSE STOOD BESIDE ME WHEN I FOUND A SHINING NEW MANNER OF FITTING THE SPLENDID VOICE OF THE VICTORY PROCESSION TO THE DORIAN SANDAL. FOR THE GARLANDS TWINED AROUND HIS HAIR EXACT FROM ME THIS SACRED DEBT, TO BLEND HARMONIOUSLY FOR THE SON OF AENESIDAMUS THE EMBROIDERED SONG OF THE LYRE AND THE CRY OF THE FLUTES WITH THE ARRANGEMENT OF WORDS, AND PISA BIDS ME TO RAISE MY VOICE—PISA, FROM WHICH GOD-FATED SONGS COME OFTEN TO MEN, FOR ANYONE OVER WHOSE BROW THE STRICT AETOLIAN JUDGE OF THE GREEKS TOSSES UP AROUND HIS HAIR THE GRAY-GREEN ADORNMENT OF OLIVE LEAVES, FULFILLING THE ANCIENT BEHESTS OF HURCULES; THE OLIVE WHICH ONCE THE SON OF AMPHITRYON BROUGHT FROM THE SHADY SPRINGS OF ISTER, TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MEMORIAL OF THE OLYMPIAN CONTESTS, WHEN HE HAD PERSUADED THE HYPERBOREAN PEOPLE, THE SERVANTS OF APOLLO, WITH SPEECH. WITH TRUSTWORTHY INTENTIONS HE WAS ENTREATING THEM FOR A SHADY PLANT, TO BE SHARED BY ALL MEN AND TO BE A GARLAND OF EXCELLENCE IN THE GROVE OF ZEUS WHICH IS HOSPITABLE TO ALL. FOR ALREADY THE ALTARS HAD BEEN CONSECRATED TO HIS FATHER, AND IN MID-MONTH THE FULL EVENING’S EYE SHONE BRIGHTLY, THE MOON ON HER GOLDEN CHARIOT, AND HE HAD ESTABLISHED THE CONSECRATED TRIAL OF THE GREAT GAMES ALONG WITH THE FOUR YEARS’ FESTIVAL BESIDE THE SACRED BANKS OF THE ALPHEUS. BUT PELOPS’ SACRED GROUND WAS NOT FLOURISHING WITH BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THE VALLEYS BELOW THE HILL OF CRONUS. HE SAW THAT THIS GARDEN, BARE OF TREES, WAS EXPOSED TO THE PIERCING RAYS OF THE SUN. AND SO HIS SPIRIT PROMPTED HIM TO TRAVEL TO THE LAND OF THE ISTER, WHERE THE HORSE-DRIVING DAUGHTER OF LETO HAD RECEIVED HIM WHEN HE CAME FROM THE MOUNTAIN-GLENS AND DEEP, WINDING VALLEYS OF ARCADIA; THROUGH THE COMMANDS OF EURYSTHEUS, COMPULSION FROM HIS FATHER URGED HIM ON THE QUEST OF THE DOE WITH THE GOLDEN HORNS, WHICH ONCE TAŸGETE HAD INSCRIBED AS A SACRED DEDICATION TO ARTEMIS WHO SETS THINGS RIGHT. PURSUING THAT DOE HE HAD ALSO SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE COLD BLASTS OF BOREAS; THERE HE HAD STOOD AND MARVELLED AT THE TREES, AND SWEET DESIRE FOR THEM POSSESSED HIM, TO PLANT THEM AROUND THE BOUNDARY-LINE OF THE HORSE-RACING GROUND WITH ITS TWELVE COURSES. AND NOW IN HIS KINDNESS HE COMES REGULARLY TO THIS FESTIVAL OF OURS, TOGETHER WITH THE GODLIKE TWIN SONS OF DEEP-WAISTED LEDA. FOR HERCULES, WHEN HE ASCENDED TO OLYMPUS, ASSIGNED TO THEM THE ORDERING OF THE MARVELLOUS CONTEST OF MEN, THE CONTEST IN EXCELLENCE AND IN THE DRIVING OF SWIFT CHARIOTS. AND SO MY SPIRIT SOMEHOW URGES ME TO SAY THAT GLORY HAS COME TO THE EMMENIDAE AND TO THERON THROUGH THE DISPENSATION OF THE SONS OF TYNDAREUS WITH THEIR FINE HORSES, BECAUSE THAT FAMILY COMES TO THEM WITH THE MOST HOSPITABLE FEASTING-TABLES OF ANY MORTAL MEN, OBSERVING THE RITES OF THE BLESSED GODS WITH PIOUS THOUGHTS. IF WATER IS BEST AND GOLD IS THE MOST HONORED OF ALL POSSESSIONS, SO NOW THERON REACHES THE FARTHEST POINT BY HIS OWN NATIVE EXCELLENCE; HE TOUCHES THE PILLARS OF HERCULES. BEYOND THAT THE WISE CANNOT SET FOOT; NOR CAN THE UNSKILLED SET FOOT BEYOND THAT. I WILL NOT PURSUE IT; I WOULD BE A FOOL.”
a pelagos [as in the pelagos of atlas] is the body of water created by a flooding river. see it in Herodotus
“3.117…THE KING HAS BLOCKED THE MOUNTAIN PASSES, AND CLOSED EACH PASSAGE WITH A GATE; WITH THE WATER BARRED FROM OUTLET, THE PLAIN WITHIN THE MOUNTAINS BECOMES A PELAGOS, SEEING THAT THE RIVER POURS INTO IT AND FINDS NO WAY OUT. “
...... this refers to chorasmia and is Atlantis
“2.97… WHEN THE NILE OVERFLOWS THE LAND, ONLY THE TOWNS ARE SEEN HIGH AND DRY ABOVE THE WATER, VERY LIKE THE ISLANDS IN THE AEGEAN SEA. THESE ALONE STAND OUT, THE REST OF EGYPT BEING A PELAGOS. SO WHEN THIS HAPPENS, FOLK ARE NOT FERRIED, AS USUAL, IN THE COURSE OF THE STREAM, BUT CLEAN OVER THE PLAIN.”
has nothing to do with The Atlantic ocean. its okeanos or apsorroos as the greeks say.
ps.. the Persians were going to attack Egypt or Greece. no-one knew which one so plato was proactive with the propaganda. recalling the help Greece has given the Egyptians earlier.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 13-Aug-21 23:06 by Wheeler.