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Hello Brian,
Surely, people in ancient times used what we now call psychedelics and you have contributed to describing this in your book. Based on the Mayan calendar I would say people have used psychedelics up to 10,000 years, but before there was no need for them. Saying that this contributed to the rise of civilization is however a totally different thing. Civilization comes from the Latin word civitas meaning city and at least in my own experience that seems to be the very opposite of the psychedelic experience. Civilization is about creating city life and structuring reality according to rational principles. As far as I know people do not go to take ayahuasca in the Amazonas in order to experience civilization but in order to get away from it. They go there to experience the default state of consciousness with serpents, theriantropes and animal spirits, which ruled in the 5th Wave before the mind shift in 3115 BCE that led to the rise of civilization. I do not see any reason that the motivation to use psychedelics would have been different in any time in the past 5000 years. Moreover, if the use of psychedelics were behind its rise how come civilization continued to evolve in the time period 400 - 1943 CE, when psychedelics were not in use on a large scale except for maybe among small groups of hunter-gatherers?

My view elaborated in my book Quantum science of Psychedelics is that people started to use psychedelics only as a reaction to the rise of civilization and in order to have spiritual experiences that decompartmentalized the civilized mind brought by the Sixth Wave of the Mayan calendar (usually called the Long Count beginning in 3115 BCE). Only with the mind change that this cosmic quantum wave brought did people start to create civilizations (with a few megaliths going back about 5,000 years earlier). Needless to say this view does not jive well with those that believe that the mind is created by the brain, but it certainly goes very well with all that we know of history. I am enclosing a picture of the wave that developed civilization beginning in Egypt and Sumer about 5100 years ago. This wave movement incidentally is what the ancients would refer to as the Plumed Serpent, which they saw as the bringer of civilization. How exactly this relates to the use of psychedelics there is not space to develop here, but it can be noticed that the midpoint of this wave (c 550 BCE) the new mind became dominating and it is entirely possible that the Eleusian mysteries emerged in this peak exactly as a reaction to this.
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