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David Bohm committed his life to establishing a connectedness between the very smallest and largest units in the Cosmos, connecting quantum physics with Einstein's general relativity. Unlike your interest in measurement, Bohm was interested in scaling. And the wholeness that inspired has philosophical and spiritual implications that he explored with collaborators.

I was interested in mechanisms that involved the human in this wholeness through perception and cognition. My thinking was influenced by the collaboration Bohm had with Karl Pribram--comparing cognitive processing of information to the operations of a hologram. Human information processing was the cognitive link to the wholeness of the universe--and information was the organizing unit.

The link to your work might be the work of F. David Peat in his book, Blackfoot Physics:


AMERICANS in search of spiritual nourishment turned their gaze in the 1990s to the Indigenous. To judge by first impressions, F. David Peat’s Blackfoot Physics is the modern version of The Tao of Physics, with Blackfoot metaphysics as the more spiritually mature system against which Western physics is to be referred and compared. Like Fritjof Capra, Peat argues that during this century physicists have been discovering a picture of reality that has remarkable resonances with what other cultures have been saying for thousands of years. Here the “other” is the “First Peoples of Turtle Island” – indigenous Americans’ description of themselves and their continent.


A theoretical physicist and the author of a dozen previous books on subjects such as quantum reality and chaos, for the past decade Peat has immersed himself in the indigenous cultures of America and has been organising dialogues between Western scientists and Native American elders. He was reluctant to write this book at all, because indigenous knowledge is so embedded in land, language, and lived experience that it does not lend itself easily to written explication.

For the Blackfoot and their cousins, knowledge is not something to be rashly bandied about but is an active power whose careless invocation could have unwanted repercussions. But Peat was finally convinced to write because so many Native American youth are turning away from their culture. Knowing that their traditional knowledge has parallels with physics, he was told by a tribal elder, might help to revitalise their pride in their own heritage.

Throughout these pages, we gain tantalising glimpses of an elusive alternative to the thing we know as “science”. Just as Peat has had to learn by sitting quietly and observing over long periods of time, so the reader is led gently into another world and asked to simply sit and observe. There are sections on “sacred mathematics”, on the concept of “a map in the head” and a fine chapter on languages and how they encode wildly different world pictures.

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I believe that Peat may be referring to the same universals you are exploring in your book.


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