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Eddie Larry Wrote:
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> Are you saying that the stars of Scorpius were not
> considered a scorpion until the 19th century stick
> star maps? Thanks,

No, I'm talking about the stick-figure visualizations. We are accustomed to seeing the constellations visualized as stick-figures, as if those little blue lines on the planispheres represent the obvious, or only, way to connect the dots; but this convention only originated in the 19th century and gained traction in the 20th, and has never been standardized. Those little connecting lines are not in the sky. :)

Scorpius has roots in Mesopotamia, though the Greeks expanded the constellation to include Libra as the claws, and the Romans changed it back. But that patch of sky has been seen very differently in other eras and other traditions, not always using the same stars - a snake, a fishhook, a swan, a coconut tree, the prow of a boat, and parts of separate constellations. If you've got Stellarium downloaded, have a look at the Starlore section. And also view the sky with constellation lines turned off.

The GT archaeologists raised concerns about assuming the ancients perceived the same patterns in the sky as we do now. Sweatman’s response: “According to our interpretation, in most cases the asterisms used at GT are very similar to those that appear in Stellarium (Western Lore), although their interpretation as animals is often quite different.” That not only begs the question, but is inconsistent with the documented evolution of the zodiac used in the West.

We would also need to believe that certain constellations reverted to their GT forms after millennia of being something else; for example, Lupus was first visualized as a wolf in the 2nd century AD, whereas earlier star maps made it part of Centaurus, or an unidentified beast associated with Centaurus. Aries the Ram, identified as a ram by Sweatman, spent its formative Babylonian period as a hired farmhand.

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