At the end of your post you again mention how God could not possibly be on both sides in the world wars, and yet, both sides prayed for victory!
Yes, of course, that is very silly, and started you off on your way to atheism. Also very understandable.
If you are so happy being an atheist - good for you.
But you will not allow for others to believe differently. You rubbish and belittle others' experiences with the so-called mysterious, which could be called "God", but it nearly seems like a dirty word in your posts.
I think I am probably a pan-theist like Darryl. I have better look up exactly what it means! I too am finished with organised religions, but have got the best from what Jesus is supposed to have said, and it has been proved over and over to me, that it works. I don't equate Jesus with Christianity any more.
I won't go into again how I think the universe does care about us, I have written enough about it here in AUM. Einstein and Darryl (!) and many others don't think the universe cares, but yet, many others do, as they have their own proof. Not good enough for you. You swipe it away as delusion.
A bit rude I think.
Never mind. Believe it or not, I am glad you have enjoyed the dialogue with Darryl - probably not caring about the rest of us.
Susan Doris Wrote:
> I'm going to be sorry when this month comes to an
> The longer I have lived and the more I haveQuote
I'll explain what I mean. There are better
> and worse states of consciousness to be had in
> life. By that I don't mean moods: I mean the sort
> of headspace you're forced to live in as a result
> of what you believe about reality. I have
> extensive experience of two pretty bad ones.
> The first is Evangelical Christianity - my mind
> made subservient to an irrational divine text,
> striving to live up to an idealistic moral code
> that is a very bad fit for the human animal,
> leading to a life of inevitable moral failures and
> lots of self-hatred, as a I viewed myself as a
> constant disappointment to God.
> learnt, the more I'd like to hear just one major
> world religious leader announce firmly that the
> invisible, undetectable entity they believe exists
> does not. I think the number of
> non-believers will eventually become a majority
> over those who do, but it will take nearer to a
> thousand years than hundreds.
> Oh, absolutely not! I found it quite theQuote
The second is atheism - reality reduced to
> a mere mechanism, everything stripped of meaning,
> life without value or purpose.
> opposite; not as dramatically as some - because I
> had never been deeply immersed in dogma,
> but a very small missing piece slotted into the
> jigsaw and the picture became whole and real and
> far, far more interesting, exciting and wonderful
> than it had been before
> Yes, I can see how that would follow a muchQuote
Pantheism and non-duality were
> "consciousness enriching" because they infused
> life with meaning without poisoning it the way
> religion did. (Let me add one important caveat
> here: "enriching consciousness" was not the
> motivating factor in any conclusion I came to; it
> just happened as the natural consequence of
> getting rational clarity.)
> greater change.
> One of the questions which came up as far as I was
> concerned in any discussions - which were fairly
> often in my family - was that of how can God be on
> both sides in the war (WWII? Even my father, whose
> belief in God out there somewhere was absolute,
> couldn't get his head round that one!