If ten monkeys had eternity to do it in, surely they would mine the metal, invent machines to make it into thin wires and other machines to cut and bend them into paper clips.
Just my variation of the monkeys writing Shakespeare plays.

GG.


Robert Jameson Wrote:
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> Hi Eddie,
>
> You quoted me:
> <<< The problem arises when you want to
> describe how anything came into existence.
> >>>
>
> I wrote the above when explaining the difficulty
> with the word ‘creation’. For example.
>
> Robert Jameson wrote:
> <<< I guess there is some difficulty with the
> word ‘creation’. The word will forever be
> associated with the biblical Creationist Myths and
> the associated supernatural claims that a human
> like God figure did it all.
>
> The problem arises when you want to describe how
> anything came into existence. A paper clip is a
> piece of wire bent into a specific shape. It did
> not come about as the result of a number of random
> events – it is the result of a number of
> non-random events – it is a creation. >>>
>
> Eddie wrote
> <<< Hi Robert, we can’t describe how anything
> came into existence because we don’t really
> experience anything coming into existence. We
> observe things and the changes that happen to
> them. >>>
>
> I can see where you are coming from with this –
> but again there seems to be a problem we
> terminology. So referring again to the paper clip
> analogy – probably ‘come into existence’ was
> not the best choice of words. Let’s say the
> paper clip was ‘manufactured’ – and yes we
> ‘observed’ the process and the ‘changes that
> happened’. This is precisely the point I was
> making – the only difference is I was talking
> about a non-random process and used the word
> ‘creation’ rather than ‘manufacture’.
>
> I will however take issue with your following
> statement.
>
> Eddie wrote:
> <<< Asking what happened or existed prior to
> the start of the Universe is a process of our
> imaginations, making stuff up. If we can’t
> observe something, then we cannot describe it.
> >>>
>
> Actually, I do not recall ever observing a paper
> clip being manufactured (created). I just assume,
> correctly I believe, that it happened as a result
> of a complex non-random process. Same with my
> motor car, laptop, mobile phone and millions of
> other things we encounter on a daily basis that
> somebody, or something, created. Such that if
> anyone tells me the paper clip on my desk is not
> the product of a non-random process; I would not
> believe them.
>
> The point being – I do not have to observe the
> manufacture of something to know it came about as
> a result of a complex non-random process.
>
> Eddie wrote:
> <<< Asking whether the beginning of the
> Universe was random or not, or determined or not
> is simply making logical sounding statements about
> something we do not or did not experience, I.e.,
> more making stuff up. IMO, of course. >>>
>
> Given the complexity of the universe, with its
> life and human consciousness, is far greater than
> the paper clip on my desk, I likewise assume it is
> the product of a non-random process.