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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.
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It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!
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It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!

Susan

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Parapsychology and wonderment 35342 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 573 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 563 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
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Re: u-tube 543 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
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Meaningful dreams 531 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
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Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 534 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 545 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 529 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 540 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 621 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 568 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
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Re: Who was Jesus? 571 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 536 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
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Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 517 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 549 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 529 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
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Re: Winter solstice 2012 516 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 528 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 542 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 565 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 521 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 513 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 505 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 502 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 529 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 518 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 496 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 521 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 537 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 528 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 499 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 535 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 528 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 543 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 525 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 553 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 526 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 558 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 534 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 501 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 518 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 531 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 504 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 532 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 521 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 510 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 517 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 499 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
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After the resurrection...... 530 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 505 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 529 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 535 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 516 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 527 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 527 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 527 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 550 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 510 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 536 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 530 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 527 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 1122 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 533 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 550 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 532 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 546 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 530 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 558 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 590 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 551 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 532 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 540 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 529 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 533 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 542 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 558 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 535 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 539 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 522 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 522 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 545 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 528 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 531 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 527 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 496 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 509 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 546 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 548 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 534 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 513 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 538 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 501 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 526 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 525 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 523 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 517 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 522 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 519 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 504 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 505 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 496 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 494 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 502 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 499 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 513 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 513 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 506 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 506 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 488 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 508 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 495 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 517 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 476 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 900 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 493 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 512 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 488 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 510 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 502 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 496 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 473 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 497 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 496 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 482 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 479 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 471 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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