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Susan Doris Wrote:
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> This particular author's
> opinions turned out to be very close to mine,
> except that he wants to leave a gap between
> reality and fantasy wide enough to let in his
> version of what the brain can do, instead of (a)
> inserting God of choice, or (b) using the more
> logical actual gap because all the facts are not
> yet known.

I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).

It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically. Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that. One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.

It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.

And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.

Darryl

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Parapsychology and wonderment 35217 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 519 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 509 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 483 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 488 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 480 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 461 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 475 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 475 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 482 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 492 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 474 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 487 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 564 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 513 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 467 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 515 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 481 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 474 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 464 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 494 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 475 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 484 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 463 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 471 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 488 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 510 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 466 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 459 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 451 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 449 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 473 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 464 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 442 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 467 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 478 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 475 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 448 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 479 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 472 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 488 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 472 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 496 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 472 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 503 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 481 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 449 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 464 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 476 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 452 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 478 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 466 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 456 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 464 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 446 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 462 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 476 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 451 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 475 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 479 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 463 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 474 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 471 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 473 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 494 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 457 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 485 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 476 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 472 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 1067 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 477 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 495 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 478 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 489 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 477 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 503 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 535 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 497 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 478 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 485 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 476 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 478 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 484 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 503 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 477 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 485 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 468 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 469 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 491 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 472 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 477 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 475 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 443 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 456 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 492 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 493 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 479 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 458 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 484 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 447 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 472 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 470 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 469 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 463 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 470 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 464 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 450 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 451 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 446 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 441 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 451 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 445 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 461 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 459 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 451 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 445 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 434 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 454 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 439 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 463 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 423 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 830 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 442 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 460 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 432 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 451 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 450 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 444 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 421 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 449 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 443 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 429 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 428 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 419 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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