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Darryl Sloan Wrote:
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> Hi, Poster Boy.
>
> "How can you be sure, if you are sure, that this
> movement was caused by PK as opposed to an
> observing spirit - the Ouija board idea?"
>
> Nothing in the experience of PK warrants that sort
> of explanation. Why would an observing spirit
> require me to have a certain mental state (focused
> inattention)? Why would an observing spirit cause
> physiological sensations in my body, when the
> phenomenon is outside the body?
>
> I would also tend to argue that Ouija is likely
> not spirit-related. It's an unconscious part of
> the personality manifesting through the ideomotor
> effect. The one thing that would debunk this is
> Ouija performed by a blindfolded person. I could
> never personally get Ouija to work, because I
> think I'm not a very suggestible person.
>
> Darryl

Hi Darryl

It sounds like you've made an a prior presumption about what can and cannot happen under these conditions? I'm not saying that this is the explanation, not by a long shot. But I wouldn't rule it out.

"Why would an observing spirit require me to have a certain mental state (focused inattention)?"

The idea in favour of this, or something like this, is that the goal of some spirits involves the subject enabling their will to become taken over... I'm sure that you've read on demonic possession and that sort of thing. Whether it is true or not is one thing, but there's the traditional angle to which I refer.

"Why would an observing spirit cause
> physiological sensations in my body, when the
> phenomenon is outside the body?"

That's a good question, and I suppose your test is different than the ouija board. If you were to ask me about that experiment, following through on your answer here, I would suggest that the internal sense you feel may involve the spirit assuming partial control of your internal system, in order to move your hands about.

Nonetheless, this is really not a digression I care to go into, nor one that I'm sure you want to discuss. Your findings on PK sound very interesting, and as I have said, I don't think that it 'necessarily' involves other spirits. Only that it may. Going the other way, I have been intrigued, in the past, regarding how PK (poltergeist) phenomenon tends to be strongly associated with adolescence, a relatively brief time when our emotions are often over the top. Perhaps this relates to the tapping into a certain or very particular kind of intensity that positively influenced your own results, one that you were able to generate within yourself through disciplined practice?

These streams of thought often lead to unanswerable dichotomies. Take, for example, super high quality premonitions, the kinds that the subject concludes, or knows, cannot be due to random happenstance: is the subject receiving a transmission from an other who knows what's around the corner? ; or is the individual subject's greater awareness cognizant of what's around the corner - a part of each of us that is so foreign to us, at this point, that we are inclined to consider it an other?

Regards, PB

Namaste

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Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 355 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 336 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 329 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 331 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 321 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 300 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
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Re: Meaningful dreams 311 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 318 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 322 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
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Re: Winter solstice 2012 298 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 308 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 330 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 345 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 298 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 299 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
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Re: Questions 316 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 300 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
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Re: Scientists and Dualism 298 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 307 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 317 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 300 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 314 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 311 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 329 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 315 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 336 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 313 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 338 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 320 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 293 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
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Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 310 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
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Re: A scholarly alternative 316 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 309 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 294 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 305 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
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Re: After the resurrection...... 290 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
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Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 321 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 300 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 332 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 301 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 333 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 314 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 314 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 900 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 318 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 323 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 308 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
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Re: Consciousness 320 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 339 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 370 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 341 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 316 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 320 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 312 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 323 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 328 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 312 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 322 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
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Re: There it is again 314 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
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Re: You know? 306 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 312 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 316 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 286 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 305 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 333 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 331 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
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Re: How to make gold 304 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
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Re: How to make gold 283 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
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Re: How to make gold 292 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
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Re: How to make gold 278 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
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Re: Great advice to scientists! 292 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
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