Now your day has started, and mine is finished. I have just slept my way through TV, but am still sleepy enough for the night. First a shower, though, I hope it does not wake me up.
Susan Doris Wrote:
> Wrong! I know a great deal about the spiritualQuote
But Susan, you know so little about
> spiritual things.
> side of life. One of the things I have learnt is
> that the word 'spiritual' has just about as many
> different interpretations as there are people!
> I have had as much experience as anyone ofQuote
You have no experiences with prayers being
> thinking something, hoping that it will come to
> pass, wishing fervently that it will, also of
> praying, but my siblings and I were taught that
> 'God helps those who help themselves' and not to
> expect God to do it. That is one good reason why I
> never relied on prayer and rightly so, and
> at an early age worked out that I had to sort
> things out myself.
> I believed that God had a plan for each and every
> one, but this idea was faint and, the older I got,
> the less and less did it have any logic at all.
> I'm not going to bother re-explaining the firstQuote
you once went to a dodgy fortune teller and
> you had a seance or whatever it was with some
> giggling friends, and now you know for sure there
> is no God and neither do you nor anybody else have
> a soul.
> two and the third point, about souls, is simple.
> Every human being without exception has an aspect
> of character/personality which has come to be
> labelled 'soul' but anyone with even a simple
> knowledge of animal biology knows that there is no
> thing which can be separated called a soul. Even
> if you know that, why would you want to believe
> there is something called a 'soul'? If it is not
> something physical, which it certainly is not, you
> can only imagine that it is and since zero
> useful evidence exists for any such thing, why not
> accept that it is a human label for an aspect of
> each of us, instead of trying to give it a
> separate existence?
> Well, there isn't a 'point' of living. We liveQuote
And when we are dead it is forever (so what
> is the point of having lived).
> because we are part of an unbroken line of life
> and I for one am absolutely pleased and delighted
> that I have had a life. All the points or reasons
> for living or doing are humanly thought of and
> created and, as part of that unbroken line of
> life, if we have had children who have children in
> turn, then we have been part of it. And the
> species continues to survive. And that's
> That's rubbish. I have a good brain and I use it!Quote
You take the word of that famous
> (infamous?) stage magician over a host of
> distinguished modern scientists.
> Certainly not. I only distrust people who haveQuote
You distrust anybody who tells you about
> experiences outside the materialistic old science,
> because you have decided it cannot be, unless they
> come up with all sorts of proofs,
> shown themselves to lie and deceive deliberately
> and who;, therefore, are likely to do so again.
> Otherwise I have a much more benign view of all
> than you give me credit for.
> If you think that, then you really have not readQuote
and if books are being pointed out to you,
> you cannot read them, but happily reject them out
> of hand.
> and Unread, understandable, but also rejected
> because the sceptical societies say they know
> my posts over the years very well!
> No, it is much simpler than that. I enjoy theQuote
You enjoy a banter on the boards, and it is
> good you can still take part in that. There is
> nothing else I can think of to add here.
> discussions on message boards because it is
> something I can take part in at home since I am no
> longer able to do so locally – since there are
> no suitable groups – and nationally because of
> the difficulties involved.
> With that, I heartily agree!Quote
Maybe just a personal note about our
> weather. Yesterday was 31°C (85°F) and our
> electricity was cut off all day, over 8 hours,
> because of pole repair works. It meant no running
> water, only in several buckets, and it meant no
> fans. All windows open was no use. Fires in the
> centre of Tasmania with people evacuated. Better
> day today forecast, and the electricity is back. I
> have edited the list of things to take (lots!) if
> fire comes here. Makes me feel better, but will I
> panic instead of? Appealing to higher powers -
> certainly, but if it has to happen it will. I hope
> you believe in climate change? There should be
> enough signs of it by now everywhere, even David
> Attenborough believes it, but our government
> doesn't! Pathological disbelievers or self-centred