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I always find your posts interesting, and clearly and firmly expressed, but I do as always challenge your interpretation of your experience, although never that you experienced it

I do not agree that the world is 'mired' in 17th century perceptions or understanding of reality. Our knowledge base has vastly increased since then and, with the objectivity of the scientific method, is far more firmly based, otherwise, for example, the technology we have would not work. At no time since the 17th century, however, has any objective evidence been found for any supernatural anything"!
Any self-understanding which involves a belief that entirely subjective ideas are objective is a diversion, a detour, or a dead end pursuit and should only be made with the clear knowledge that it is indistinguishable from, well, guessing.

Susan


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> Hi Susan
>
> I think what people move towards when it comes to
> "shamanism," is a deeper understanding of
> reality's plasticity.
>
> The Western world is mired in a 17th-century
> conception of reality, based on Cartesian and
> Newtonian thinking, that this reality is all there
> is, with its laws and the absolute reality of
> things, around which these laws are based.
>
> That's all well and good, yet in the last few
> centuries we have also learned that this "reality"
> is 99.9999999 percent empty space. our discovery
> of the subatomic realm demonstrated, absolutely,
> that Cartesian-Newtonian paradigms are NOT
> absolute. Then in the early 20th century, a Nobel
> prize was awarded based on the finding that we do,
> in fact, affect reality through our perception.
>
> I have found, based on direct experience, that
> this reality is an extension of Mind, and this is
> what I was getting at when I replied to the very
> busy Evelyn regarding Eastern doctrines and what I
> called the 'Void." To shamanism then, do these
> spirits have an objective reality of their own, in
> which case they are an extension Mind? Or, are
> they an extension of 'mind'?
>
> I believe the former interpretation, and that the
> only way you can connect with these spirits is by
> getting down to a level where
> 17th-century paradigms are seen to be
> non-absolute, and part of a much more diversified
> reality. In other words Susan, one's
> consciousness plays a defining role.
>
> I suspect that shamen are connecting with real
> beings in realms that seem "imaginary" from the
> 17th-century point of view, where things are seen
> to exclusively define what is real. If this realm
> and others are projections of Mind, then they are
> equally imaginary in one sense. And since, as
> modern science affirms, this realm is
> virtually empty space AND that perception
> influences outcomes on at least one level..... I
> see plenty of room for authentic interaction with
> beings in other realms.
>
> Now, of course you believe none of this. And you
> may be assured that I and others will give you a
> very hard time when we're all on the other side!
>
> I'm teasing of course. In the meanwhile, keep up
> the dancing!

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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 3973 Susan Doris 08-Jan-19 16:21
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 678 EvelynRysdyk 10-Jan-19 17:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 592 Susan Doris 10-Jan-19 19:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 611 cloister 10-Jan-19 20:11
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 610 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 14:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 609 cloister 11-Jan-19 16:09
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 582 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 19:35
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 606 cloister 11-Jan-19 19:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 595 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 00:40
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 618 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 08:59
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 580 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:02
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 570 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 594 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 20:33
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 554 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:06
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 587 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 23:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 565 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 06:15
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 559 greengirl5 12-Jan-19 12:24
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 563 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:07
Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 575 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 568 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:48
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 568 Itatw70s 21-Jan-19 02:17
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 551 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 06:26
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 587 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 582 EvelynRysdyk 12-Jan-19 17:04
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 617 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 18:36
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 574 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 15:01
Red Herrings 584 drrayeye 17-Jan-19 19:05
Re: Red Herrings 583 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 23:47
Re: Red Herrings 554 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 09:00
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 590 Susan Doris 19-Jan-19 12:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 551 EvelynRysdyk 19-Jan-19 17:23
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 566 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:27
Spirit 571 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:57
Re: Spirit 574 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 07:11
Re: Spirit 548 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 11:31
Re: Spirit 562 Eddie Larry 21-Jan-19 16:32
Re: Spirit 556 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 17:08
Re: Spirit 532 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 20:37
Re: Spirit 555 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:24
Re: Spirit 558 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:23
Re: Spirit 539 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 07:41
Re: Spirit 548 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:57
Re: Spirit 551 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 08:19
Re: Spirit 553 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 09:47
Re: Spirit 550 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 12:40
Re: Spirit 543 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 21:04
Re: Spirit 562 Susan Doris 23-Jan-19 10:25
Re: Spirit 954 greengirl5 23-Jan-19 12:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 570 PB Bytes 19-Jan-19 18:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 552 EvelynRysdyk 20-Jan-19 00:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 552 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 00:39
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 555 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:28
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 546 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 542 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 09:31
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 546 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 561 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 572 PB Bytes 20-Jan-19 17:02
And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 565 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
Re: And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 550 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:08


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