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Hi Susan

I think what people move towards when it comes to "shamanism," is a deeper understanding of reality's plasticity.

The Western world is mired in a 17th-century conception of reality, based on Cartesian and Newtonian thinking, that this reality is all there is, with its laws and the absolute reality of things, around which these laws are based.

That's all well and good, yet in the last few centuries we have also learned that this "reality" is 99.9999999 percent empty space. our discovery of the subatomic realm demonstrated, absolutely, that Cartesian-Newtonian paradigms are NOT absolute. Then in the early 20th century, a Nobel prize was awarded based on the finding that we do, in fact, affect reality through our perception.

I have found, based on direct experience, that this reality is an extension of Mind, and this is what I was getting at when I replied to the very busy Evelyn regarding Eastern doctrines and what I called the 'Void." To shamanism then, do these spirits have an objective reality of their own, in which case they are an extension Mind? Or, are they an extension of 'mind'?

I believe the former interpretation, and that the only way you can connect with these spirits is by getting down to a level where 17th-century paradigms are seen to be non-absolute, and part of a much more diversified reality. In other words Susan, one's consciousness plays a defining role.

I suspect that shamen are connecting with real beings in realms that seem "imaginary" from the 17th-century point of view, where things are seen to exclusively define what is real. If this realm and others are projections of Mind, then they are equally imaginary in one sense. And since, as modern science affirms, this realm is virtually empty space AND that perception influences outcomes on at least one level..... I see plenty of room for authentic interaction with beings in other realms.

Now, of course you believe none of this. And you may be assured that I and others will give you a very hard time when we're all on the other side!

I'm teasing of course. In the meanwhile, keep up the dancing!



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Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 577 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
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And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 567 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
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