Yes, I understand that, but in fact the very fact that you talk of a shamanic experience indicates that you believe there is such a thing, distinct from any other experience. Of course, different connotations are given to what is believed to be a shamanic experience rather than some other meditative or self-hypnotic or any other kind of experience the brain comes up with. If the person having the experience labels it a ‘shamanic experience’, then that person is consciously or subconsciously assuming much as well, because using the word shamanic implies having heard of it.And its associations.Quote
Quite a long reply indeed, Susan. I wasn't assuming anything in my question, I was just enquiring.
That is an incorrect interpretation of what I think and of what I have written. I would classify people’s descriptions and labels of their experiences under different headings, but at no time would I say that one experience is ‘lesser’ than another. Why should I? That is up to the person experiencing to decide.Quote
You put this all down to imagination, as though that is somehow lesser that your experience of reality.
How would you define what you call ‘my’ reality?!
I could ask you the same question! I think I am on firmer ground here – if I researched an account of someone’s experience and found that it was well supported by objective evidence, then I would think it as different – but not lesser or more anything – from that totally lacking in independent verification.Quote
How would you know which is more "real" if you haven't experienced both, and how do you know your world is the real one?
How do you know? That is a huge assumption. What factors woulde need to be in place to classify it as a shamanic experience rather than any other kind of emotional, ecstatic, deeply joyful, deeply saddening, etc?Quote
A Shamanic experience would give you a wider view of the mysteries of existence.
And that applies to all experiences. Anyone who has not carried and had a baby can only guess at the actual feelings involved.Quote
An experience that could only be guessed at otherwise.
Without it all you can do is presume to know whats going on, with it you can actually know a little more than before, just like any new experience.
Yes. The only things that a totally blind from birth person could not actually experience are the colour and distance involved.Quote
I know you have trouble with your sight Susan, so this should resonate with you. Could you know, if you had been born blind and had never experienced it, what water is from a description. Would it really be adequate?
The same applies to sighted people – unless you have been to the Himalayas or the Antarctic, you can only imagine what it would be like in reality,.
Sorry - can't get rid of the x in Antarctic
18.1.19 Have now managed to edit that.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 18-Jan-19 12:40 by Susan Doris.