> Hi Jude,
> Thanks for your reply. I knew Karl Pribram and
> remember all the ribbing that he experienced for
> using this analogy. Karl cowrote a cognitive
> revolution book called, "Plans and the structure
> of behavior" with two fellow luminaries of the
> day, George Miller, and Eugene Galanter. The meta
> story was that Miller thought of it, Galanter
> wrote it, and Pribram believes it . . .
> With my cognitive science background, I'm
> especially interested in transformations from
> level to level within a system and have recently
> become fascinated by a theory developed by Penrose
> and Hameroff:
> This almost seems like it could come right out of
> one of your books. Do you know--or have you
> met--Roger Penrose?
> It almost seems that he is allowing me to
> integrate my Cartesian tendencies with your
> information based integration.
> What do you think of Penrose and Hameroff?
perhaps a perspective on inside and outside
for example your "Cartesian tendencies" is our everyday 3-D world
some think this is real and anything else is "outside"
but this 3-D world could be seen as an iceberg floating in an ocean
your iceberg could be thought of as water having a (n)ice experience
it is temporarily separating itself (going outside) to gain insight
by going outside the "ocean" and becoming ice
a new experience is gained
the ocean transfers information through waves into the ice
but the ice also causes new wave patterns to be generated in the ocean
these "ice formed wave patterns" persist in the ocean after the ice has melted
and represent life after death (I'm melting, I'm melting)
could "consciousness" (a human outside term) just be the ability to receive wave patterns?
and in order to receive wave patterns one has to be separate from the ocean
so neither the ocean nor the "ice formed wave patterns" are "conscious" because they don't need to be
from the article:
Researchers from the renowned Max Planck Institute for Physics in Munich are in agreement with Penrose that the physical universe that we live in is only our perception and once our physical bodies die, there is an infinite beyond. Some believe that consciousness travels to parallel universes after death. “The beyond is an infinite reality that is much bigger... which this world is rooted in. In this way, our lives in this plane of existence are encompassed, surrounded, by the afterworld already... The body dies but the spiritual quantum field continues. In this way, I am immortal.”