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In response to Skatha:

We have an aligned Dogon granary shrine described by Griaule whose base plan evokes the same series of shapes in the same sequence as a Buddhist stupa, with the same symbolism attached to each shape. Griaule describes a cosmology associated with the shrine that, although it is given in an entirely different language than the Buddhist shrine, is a point-for-point match for the cosmology associated with a stupa (as defined in detail by Adrian Snodgrass of the University of West Sydney, Australia in his book The Symbolism of the Stupa. Snodgrass is widely considered to be a leading authority on Buddhist architecture and symbolism. )

Professor Van Beek, whose specialty was ecology prior to conducting a several-year restudy of Griaule's several-decade study, declared the Dogon shrine to be "a chimera known only to Griaule." In fact, it's a form that is quite familiar to large populations all across India and Asia.

When I discovered this, realizing that the find could be professionally embarrassing to Professor Van Beek, I offered to co-report it with him and at least allow him to take credit for making the correction. When he didn't take me up on that offer, I published the information under my own name in the University of Chicago's Anthropology News academic journal.

To be fair to Professor Van Beek, at least 60 years of other researchers associated with the Dogon also missed the match, as apparently did Griaule and his team.

So we know with certainty that the Dogon shrine and the cosmology as Griaule describe them represent legitimate forms, since they've long been documented and accepted as such in connection with Buddhism.

I've spent 20 years correlating the Dogon cosmological terms to ancient Egyptian words. That process demonstrates both that Griaule got the word meanings correct AND that Budge likely also has them correct, since Budge can't reasonably be wrong about the Egyptian hieroglyphs in a way that agrees predictively with the Dogon. In other words, the Dogon cosmology provides us with an independent cross-check on Budge.

The only wiggle-room that would seem to leave for doubting Griaule's work would be to postulate that he, as the leading anthropologist of his day, spent 30 years perpetrating a deliberate fraud on the public, trying to pass off a Buddhist system as if it were Dogon.

But there are serious problems with that view, also. First, the details of the cosmology represent "insider knowledge" of Buddhism and the Egyptian hieroglyphic language, and Griaule is not known to have made that kind of lengthy study of either. Also, that view would require us to explain how Griaule managed to get many of the very same cosmological words into the lexicons of numerous other African tribes.

- Laird

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