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Skatha wrote:

I've read a number of papers that said the information on the Dogon isn't correct (and that the Dogon themselves say it's not correct.)

I can address a few of the complaints against the Dogon for you.

Carl Sagan proposed that Dogon knowledge of the stars of Sirius was recent. However, he failed to notice two key points: First, that the words in which it is given are ancient Egyptian words. For example, the Dogon Sigi festival of Sirius is the Egyptian word skhai, which means "to celebrate festival." Those words went out out of usage by around 700 BC. Second, it's understood that the Egyptian god Isis represented the bright star Sirius. For me, when we acknowledge that, we tacitly agree to play a game called "When I say goddess, you say star." So when we learn that Isis had a dark sister Nephthys, we're demonstrating Egyptian knowledge of a second Sirius star.

Belgian anthropologist Walter Van Beek declared the Dogon cosmology to be a fabrication of the Dogon priests, invented to satisfy the French anthropologists. But he failed notice that it's founded on an aligned structure that is a form of stupa, and that the cosmology is a point-for-point match for the cosmology that associates with a Buddhist stupa, and so can't have been casually fabricated.

French anthropologist Marcel Griaule described a closely-held secret Dogon tradition in which it was the responsibility of an initiate to hide information from non-initiates - even to the point of lying about it, if necessary. In other words, an outsider is akin to a visitor to a college campus on Parent's Weekend who comes away having seen no evidence of drug or alcohol use.

- Laird



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