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"anyone else here who is interested or has something useful to say on the subject, what in your view are your best pieces of evidence in support of the ancient alien hypothesis?"

Hi Graham

I really don't care a lot about the alien question. I figure they've probably been around and that this most likely continues into the present. I suspect that this occurs on two levels, in the bricks and mortar flying saucer sense, sometimes, and telepathically, which is where the main interaction occurs.

As for the former, the best evidence I have found would include...

The Phoenix Lights incident. Pro - how do we dismiss so many reports of enormous crafts. Con - How come everybody else didn't see them?

Rendlesham Forest. Pro -- Seemingly credible wider body of evidence. Con - Very few eye witnesses.

That time in the 50s when various UFOs were photographed flying over Washington DC. Pro - the evidence. Con - none that I can think of.

Greer's testimonials. Too many to dismiss coming from people claim to be direct witnesses.

Howe's work on animal carcasses is also intriguing hard evidence imo, and in the softer sense so are the abduction scenarios, based on the preponderance of them.

Related - The Starchild Skull. Pros. Pye's addressing of the wider body of evidence. The apparent unwillingness of others to address the whole of the evidence and every complaint thrown his way. I am yet to hear what seem to be intelligent counter responses to them. This suggests to me that the naysayers are applying band-aid explanations to a specimen that they know is far more complex in the anomalous sense than they are willing to acknowledge.

I also think that Pye's thesis may be suffering from informational jet lag, akin to what happened with the Shroud of Turin. Should anybody care to read up on that very interesting specimen they will soon find that it was shown to be a medieval fake.

It takes a few extra clicks to find that the study turned out to be bogus AND that the person who led the research said that and said that a worse specimen of the cloth could not have been chosen. He renounced the entire project. This is where I suspect Pye's studies may be at -- it only seems to have been 'proven' to be anomalous. Scratching the surface as I have, I would say its back to advantage Pye. Then again, I know little about the associated disciplines. And for the same reason, 'jet lag', I wonder if I am simply yet to find the rebuttal-to-Lloyd's rebuttal key that has so many people saying that this matter has been put to rest.

As for the other type of evidence, consciousness based, I suspect that this is the real frontier. While I certainly don't believe that we require dudes in lab coats to inform the rest of us that telepathy exists, it is interesting to find that Persinger has claimed to have found evidence of this over in Ontario -- in studies that extend beyond his work with the God helmet.

You may remember Temple's comment in the Sirius Mystery, where he opined that our state of evolution is actually very unique -- migrating from primitive to very high tech. The window we are in would be very short as we make this transition.

Extrapolating Persinger's work a few centuries, I would be surprised if we have not found how to work systematically with telepathy which I know from direct experience, albeit spontaneous ones, is real.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if aliens seeded our planet with certain plants in order to facilitate the opening of certain channels, through which they can reach us and direct us.

There are those who say that they will refuse to believe in aliens until they actually see one. In my opinion this mentality speaks to why a relatively advanced species would not reveal themselves en masse in a society where so many such individuals exist. Statements like that are tantamount to saying that you will refuse to consider going where the evidence leads.

More than likely, if aliens are among us they are much more discreet in their interactions. Much could be accomplished through telepathic dialogue, I would think, and other subliminal applications. And I think the advertising industry execs may concur.



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