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Some food are left in the wild to eat what they want and then get shot and be dead before they hit the ground.

Others are left in the wild to over populate and have mass starvations come winter. Somehow being too weak to get up to find food and lay in the snow for a week starving to death seems more like torture then a bullet to the brain.

All this is irrelevant as Martin states in a previous post:
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Our inability to recognise fear or pain or mental anguish in an animal we slaughter does not indicate an absence of torture.

Since we are inable to recognise these then how does proving torture occur? It is an assumption based on a subjective view point.

The natural tendancy of humans has been to eat meat in the diet. To not eat diet is a personal choice. All these meat/no meat arguments tend to fall under the more factual "I want to force my personal choice onto others that don't follow my way" arguments.

The food industries do have very poor records for animal conditions bu that is not to say anyone raising animals for food is the same as the industries.
Free range animals have a normal life until the day they are slaughtered for food, I repeat food not fun/entertainment. There are those who eat meat, slaughter animals, and eat animals that do not look forward to watching a cow, hog, etc. suffer any length of time. Contrary to what some may think these people do not enjoy animals suffering being as they have spent a considerable amount of time raising them.
A person who wants to be vegeterian I say "Good for them!" and keep on with my lifestyle. I can testify to the results of being sloppy once, and only once, at dispatching a chicken. It wasn't pretty, fun, entertaining, or a good feeling to my backside. I learned a valuable lesson that day through getting sick, a stern lecture, and a belt to the butt.
So to those who think that people who eat meat torture animals to get it like some idiot in a ring to cowardly to face/fight a bull fairly then they are either to far set in their beliefs or are just ill informed.

Yes I have processed farm animals. Yes I have hunted for food to put in the freezer. And every one of them, except that chicken, were dead before they hit the ground due to the "mean ol' meat-eater" making sure of the shot and ensuring they died immediately so as not to inflict unnecessary pain due to my laziness.

Just wondering how much leather products and such has passed thru vegetarian households?

Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo


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Should bull fighting be banned? 146 Milo 13-Jun-07 20:15
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 69 saki 13-Jun-07 20:26
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 120 Raja 13-Jun-07 20:35
YES!!!!YES!!!!YES!!!! 122 quixote 13-Jun-07 22:53
Re: YES!!!!YES!!!!YES!!!! 122 Nolondil 15-Jun-07 00:38
yes n/t 126 Halbared 13-Jun-07 22:58
Re: yes n/t 126 Me 14-Jun-07 00:02
Re: yes n/t 117 Ghia 14-Jun-07 00:46
why not add fox and deer hunting in Great Britain etc...? 94 Joyeuse 14-Jun-07 01:15
Re: why not add fox and deer hunting in Great Britain etc...? 118 Ghia 14-Jun-07 01:23
Re: why not add fox and deer hunting in Great Britain etc...? 118 Milo 14-Jun-07 23:17
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 119 Citizen Attorney 14-Jun-07 01:40
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 98 quixote 14-Jun-07 02:09
Running with the bulls 118 Citizen Attorney 15-Jun-07 00:19
Re: Running with the bulls 92 quixote 15-Jun-07 02:29
Re: Running with the bulls 120 Citizen Attorney 15-Jun-07 14:40
Re: Running with the goats 84 Raja 15-Jun-07 20:13
Re: Running with the goats 108 Citizen Attorney 15-Jun-07 21:41
Re: Running with the goats 124 Raja 16-Jun-07 09:18
Re: Running with the goats 117 Citizen Attorney 16-Jun-07 14:50
Re: Running with the goats 114 Raja 16-Jun-07 15:45
Re: Running with the bulls 110 NetWorkAngel 15-Jun-07 21:19
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 116 Hoppy 14-Jun-07 22:18
How about bull eating? 117 David L 14-Jun-07 04:23
Re: How about bull eating? 150 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 11:21
Re: How about bull eating? 116 Joyeuse 14-Jun-07 12:05
I can't imagine the Royals being deprived of their fave passtime... 127 Joyeuse 14-Jun-07 12:10
Re: I can't imagine the Royals being deprived of their fave passtime... 173 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 12:49
Fox sideline 152 tortoise 14-Jun-07 13:27
Re: Fox sideline 157 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 13:35
Re: Fox sideline 157 tortoise 14-Jun-07 14:19
Re: Fox sideline 125 Halbared 14-Jun-07 13:56
Re: Fox sideline 142 tortoise 14-Jun-07 14:13
Re: Fox sideline 149 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 14:19
Re: Fox sideline 117 Halbared 14-Jun-07 14:21
Re: Fox sideline 163 tortoise 14-Jun-07 14:31
Re: Fox sideline 115 Halbared 14-Jun-07 21:00
Re: I can't imagine the Royals being deprived of their fave passtime... 115 Hoppy 14-Jun-07 22:23
What about Fishing ? 141 tortoise 14-Jun-07 13:32
Re: What about Fishing ? 162 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 13:39
Re: What about Fishing ? 105 Halbared 14-Jun-07 13:58
Re: What about Fishing ? 160 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 14:00
Re: What about Fishing ? 158 tortoise 14-Jun-07 14:34
Re: What about Fishing ? 153 s-d.adrain 14-Jun-07 15:19
Re: What about Fishing ? 117 tortoise 15-Jun-07 09:50
Re: What about Fishing ? 98 David L 14-Jun-07 14:42
Re: What about Fishing ? 122 Citizen Attorney 15-Jun-07 00:10
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 112 ananda 14-Jun-07 16:58
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 105 Halbared 14-Jun-07 21:03
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 119 quixote 14-Jun-07 22:47
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 117 Ghia 14-Jun-07 23:28
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 118 quixote 14-Jun-07 23:58
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 70 Halbared 15-Jun-07 23:18
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 112 Ghia 15-Jun-07 23:36
hmm. 94 come on pilgrim 14-Jun-07 21:14
Re: hmm. 119 Hoppy 14-Jun-07 22:48
Re: hmm. 79 Halbared 15-Jun-07 23:22
Re: hmm. 128 Hoppy 15-Jun-07 23:49
Re: hmm. 109 Milo 16-Jun-07 00:22
Re: hmm. 116 Hoppy 16-Jun-07 03:24
Re: hmm. 104 Milo 16-Jun-07 19:58
Re: hmm. 156 tortoise 15-Jun-07 09:58
Re: hmm. 114 Halbared 15-Jun-07 23:21
Re: hmm. 118 Halbared 15-Jun-07 23:23
No. 117 come on pilgrim 15-Jun-07 01:11
Re: No. 128 Halbared 15-Jun-07 23:24
Re: No. 119 come on pilgrim 16-Jun-07 01:01
Re: No. 118 Halbared 17-Jun-07 13:25
carnivore conscience. 123 come on pilgrim 18-Jun-07 12:29
Re: carnivore conscience. 126 Halbared 23-Jun-07 10:15
Re: carnivore conscience. 135 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 13:27
Re: carnivore conscience. 115 Halbared 23-Jun-07 14:13
Re: carnivore conscience. 75 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 14:39
Re: carnivore conscience. 131 Halbared 23-Jun-07 14:43
Re: carnivore conscience. 117 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 15:06
Re: carnivore conscience. 117 Halbared 23-Jun-07 15:13
Re: carnivore conscience. 120 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 15:49
vegetarianism fad 119 Halbared 23-Jun-07 15:58
Re: vegetarianism fad 73 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 16:11
Re: vegetarianism fad 121 Halbared 23-Jun-07 16:17
Re: vegetarianism fad 127 Halbared 23-Jun-07 16:21
Re: vegetarianism fad 113 come on pilgrim 23-Jun-07 16:24
Re: vegetarianism fad 119 Halbared 23-Jun-07 16:25
Re: vegetarianism fad 120 Raja 23-Jun-07 17:24
Re: vegetarianism fad 116 Halbared 23-Jun-07 17:28
Re: vegetarianism fad 115 lobo-hotei 23-Jun-07 18:34
Re: vegetarianism fad 122 Raja 23-Jun-07 19:05
Re: vegetarianism fad 101 lobo-hotei 23-Jun-07 21:03
vegetarians and religion 125 Raja 23-Jun-07 17:12
Re: vegetarians and religion 119 Halbared 23-Jun-07 17:21
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 122 Deep1 15-Jun-07 01:42
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 120 ananda 15-Jun-07 13:41
Re: Should bull fighting be banned? 115 Avatar 16-Jun-07 22:46


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