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I just don't think your right Raja...

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The early Christian fathers adhered to a meatless regime

Early "Christian" fathers would include Moses... and the old testament... they took care of sheep... not just for the milk either.

I am aware of people saying Jesus neither ate meat nor defecated.... yes and didn't defecate....

Why all the meat sacrifices?.... and in the beginning Adam and Eve's sons.... one offered Vegies and the other Meat.... god like the meat ....

Just be happy if your eating the way you want.... it doesn't have to be about... "I'm more spiritual or going to heaven and your not"...

It's about trying to eat the best way you can to feel healthy...

If you feel you can't eat animals because of your empathy toward them then fine..... don't make other people wrong...... I think the biggest thing regarding eating meat is just what seems to us as cruel treatment in cages and other stuff...

just a little research...

New testament...

Colossians 2:16 - Since the Old Law has been removed (v14), no one should judge us regarding old laws of food and drink, such as clean and unclean animals. Clean animals could always be eaten, and under the gospel we may eat even those that were formerly unclean. Those who would judge us for so doing are wrong.


Acts 10:9-16; 11:5-10 - In a vision God commanded Peter to eat unclean animals. When Peter refused, God explained that he should not consider as unclean things that God had cleansed.

Luke 5:1-10 - The event that specifically motivated the apostles to follow Jesus was a miracle in which He enabled them to make a huge catch of fish (vv 4-9). If catching fish is immoral, why did Jesus instruct and enable them to do it, especially when they had not been able to catch anything previously?

Luke 11:11-13 - Jesus said a father gives good gifts to his children, including bread, fish, and eggs. The parallel to the bread shows that the children would eat the fish and eggs (what other use would they be?). Jesus here justifies eating fish and eggs, and He says that those who provide these for food are doing good, not evil! Note that, not only is eating fish good, so also is eating eggs.

Mark 7:18,19 - Jesus taught that a man is not defiled (i.e., does not sin - vv 20-23) because of the foods he eats. In saying this, he purified all foods - i.e., He removed the Old Testament prohibitions against eating unclean animals. So whereas the Old Testament justified much eating of meat, the New Testament allows even more than did the Old Testament!

Mark 6:35-44; 8:1-9 - Jesus fed the 5000 and later the 4000 by feeding them bread and fish (note 6:41; 8:7). [John 6:9,11]

Matthew 22:4 - Jesus told a parable of a king who killed oxen and fatted cattle for a wedding feast. Here eating meat is a symbol of partaking of the blessings of God's kingdom. Would God use something immoral to symbolize the blessings of the kingdom?

Luke 15:23,27 - When the prodigal son returned, the father had the servants rejoice by killing and eating the fatted calf. This illustrates God's joy when people repent of sin.

Mark 14:12,18 - Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples. We earlier learned that the Passover involved killing and eating a lamb. Therefore, Jesus ate meat. Did Jesus do something immoral?

Luke 24:36-43 - After His resurrection (and after the Old Law had been removed), Jesus ate fish to prove to His disciples that He really had been raised from the dead.

John 21:3,6,8-13 - After His resurrection the apostles again went fishing. Jesus repeated the miracle of providing the apostles with fish to catch. This time He also cooked fish and gave fish to them to eat.

Note that, in many of these cases Jesus ate fish or provided fish for others to eat. But in some of them He ate or approved of eating "red meat": calves, and lamb.

others....

Genesis 25:27,28; 27:1-4 - Esau was a skillful hunter. His father Isaac loved Esau because he ate what Esau killed.

Genesis 18:2,7,8 - Abraham showed hospitality to visitors by feeding them butter, milk, and a calf he had killed.

Genesis 43:16 - Joseph had an animal slaughtered for his brothers to eat with him.

Exodus 12:3,6,8,46 - God commanded each family in Israel to kill and eat a lamb for the Passover feast.

Deuteronomy 12:15,20-22 - When Israelites offered animal sacrifices, they and/or the priests ate much of the meat. This was God's blessing to them. [15:19-23; 14:26; Num. 18:9,10; Ex. 29:32; Lev. 7:15; 8:31]

Leviticus 11:2,3,9,21,46,47 - Under the law God forbade eating unclean animals, yet He expressly authorized the eating of many clean animals: mammals, fish, birds, and insects. [Deut. 14:4,6,9,11,20]

Leviticus 17:13,14 - Blood of an animal must be poured out before the animal was eaten. But with this provision, animals and birds may be hunted, caught, and eaten.

1 Kings 17:4,6 - God nourished Elijah by providing him bread and meat. Did God provide food that would be immoral to eat?

Proverbs 27:23-27 - Flocks were not only a legitimate source of riches and clothing, they also provide milk for food (v27).

Exodus 3:8,17; 13:5; 33:3; Leviticus 20:24; Deuteronomy 27:3; Jeremiah 32:22 - God blessed Israel by bringing them to the promised land of "milk and honey." The Bible views drinking milk as a great blessing from God, yet animal liberation says it is immoral! Does God bless people by promoting evil? [Even taking honey would be "stealing" from bees, if animals have rights!] [Deut. 32:14]


1 Samuel 25:18 - Abigail brought sheep dressed to eat as a gift to David and his men.

1 Kings 4:22,23 - Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, ate oxen, sheep, deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fowl.

1 Kings 19:21 - Elisha slaughtered oxen to feed people.

1 Chronicles 12:39,40 - David and the people ate oxen and sheep when he was named king.

Nehemiah 5:17,18 - Nehemiah provided for those who ate with him oxen, sheep, and fowl.

Matthew 3:4 - John the Baptist ate locusts and wild honey.

you can check more from the site..

[www.gospelway.com]

you have already read the other side of the argument.... so won't post any sites for the "Ya' side..... just so you get a balance on both sides of the debate.

dEb


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Dog Whisperer 101 debraregypt 12-Feb-06 16:24
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Re: Dog Whisperer 109 lobo-hotei 12-Feb-06 22:57
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Re: Dog Whisperer 101 debraregypt 15-Feb-06 12:47
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Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27 112 Raja 16-Feb-06 12:44
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Re: Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27 97 Raja 16-Feb-06 21:41
vegetarian diet 58 Raja 16-Feb-06 22:17
Re: vegetarian diet 49 debraregypt 17-Feb-06 22:30
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Re: Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27 100 Raja 18-Feb-06 09:32
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Re: Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27 103 Raja 19-Feb-06 20:31
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Re: Dog Whisperer 125 lobo-hotei 14-Feb-06 06:16
Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 52 Raja 14-Feb-06 12:48
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 121 lobo-hotei 14-Feb-06 14:44
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 98 Richard Fusniak 14-Feb-06 20:34
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 100 Raja 14-Feb-06 20:52
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 101 debraregypt 15-Feb-06 12:37
disclaimer 102 debraregypt 15-Feb-06 13:04
mark 7 18-- process of defication purifys all foods 115 debraregypt 15-Feb-06 13:15
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 103 Raja 15-Feb-06 14:58
Re: Fruit and veg. is not the same as meat. 100 debraregypt 15-Feb-06 22:57
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