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Raja wrote:

> Lobo,
>
> Wrong, we could feed the entire world if we would stop farming
> for meat. I don't have the time to get into this now, but it's
> a proven fact.

So why hasn't it happened yet? And by whom? Everyone has a taste for veg diet? It isn't a question of ability to do so but of why should everyone do so?

I would have to pay 50-70% more for groceries to get "organic" type foods. So the "organic farms" are a great idea(natural thing back home) they are not cost effective for those on a limited financial budget.

You don't have money to buy food year round(all veg or no) then it is a moot point.


> Iron, there are other sources than meat, I get supplements from
> health shops, no problem.

Yep no problem. Try reading what I wrote.
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Yes iron supplements and high iron non-meat alternatives are used but it doesn't work as well as a simple steak or organ meat. I am about the same way but not as bad. I have a better feeling when eating meat then a strict vegetarian/low meat diet can create for me.


> I simply had a very hard time
> digesting meat when I was young, leaving me without energy for
> hours, that and growing up around animals, made me stick to a
> vegetarian diet.

So an inability to easily assimilate meat and a personal belief against it helped make your decision.
My ability to assimilate milk makes me one not to drink too much of it but I have no problems with meat.

>Like David, I would never be able to swallow
> anything 'meat' again, even when challenged under extraordinary
> circumstances. I don't think it's for "a couple of extra years
> longer", it all continues, see ?

I was referring to David's attitude towards killing. He wouldn't kill for food to survive a few more years but he would kill to live a few more years.
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Where there is animal life, there is usually vegetation. Besides, I've died a million times--I'm not going to hanging on to squeeze a few more years out of this.
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>We never claim to be more
> enlightened than others, I believe David already cleared that.
> It's simply a way of life, and part of a belief.

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There is no enlightenment, no merging with the Source, for a non-vegetarian.
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That's due to their ignorance, and yours too if you agree with them.
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You're not treating animals with respect if you're killing them for food or for any other reason. It's as simple as that, and native americans get no free karmic pass.

A way of life and a way to feel superior are not the same thing.

You do not act as David does. David has it as "either his way or no way".

There's more then one path yet David refuses to admit it. You can only become better if you eat veg and listen/become Rumi -esque. I say baloney!
The NA had as good, if not better, way of living then the Eastern cultures. Both lived in harmony and respect with nature.

The difference between David and myself is whether I eat meat or not I still allow each their own path to enlightenment. He demands that the only way to enlightenment is the path he has chosen. To that is solely what I am not going to side with as it is wrong.

Too many NA went to their happy hunting grounds without a knowledge of, or scale to measure, their "karmic debt".

Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo

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question of animal entitlements... 176 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 15:18
Re: question of animal entitlements... 74 Gengus 03-Feb-06 16:45
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 David L 03-Feb-06 16:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 77 lobo-hotei 03-Feb-06 17:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 103 David L 03-Feb-06 22:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 132 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 00:40
Re: question of animal entitlements... 120 David L 04-Feb-06 15:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 128 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 18:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 04-Feb-06 21:00
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Marduk 04-Feb-06 21:11
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 05-Feb-06 04:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 05-Feb-06 13:20
Re: question of animal entitlements... 127 lobo-hotei 05-Feb-06 19:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 58 David L 05-Feb-06 22:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 64 debraregypt 05-Feb-06 22:30
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 David L 06-Feb-06 04:36
Re: question of animal entitlements... 67 Marduk 06-Feb-06 04:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 60 come on pilgrim 06-Feb-06 14:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 03:24
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Marduk 06-Feb-06 03:46
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:42
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 13:16
Re: question of animal entitlements... 109 Marduk 06-Feb-06 14:57
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 David L 06-Feb-06 17:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 85 Marduk 06-Feb-06 17:59
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 18:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 06-Feb-06 19:01
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 20:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:15
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:41
Re: question of animal entitlements... 114 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 116 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 22:03
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 David L 06-Feb-06 21:48
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 136 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 18:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 110 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 136 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:04
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:22
Re: question of animal entitlements... 119 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:34
Re: question of animal entitlements... 87 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 21:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:51
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 130 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Raja 06-Feb-06 22:47
Re: question of animal entitlements... 118 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 23:26
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:56
advocating devilry.... 109 come on pilgrim 04-Feb-06 00:55
Re: advocating devilry.... 110 David L 04-Feb-06 15:34
Re: advocating devilry.... 113 Gengus 04-Feb-06 16:52
My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 62 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 00:15
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 101 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:34
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 94 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:47
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 74 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 13:39
Try the Mediterranean diet 62 Raja 09-Feb-06 20:11
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 62 debraregypt 10-Feb-06 02:31
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 59 Raja 10-Feb-06 22:22
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 108 Raja 09-Feb-06 13:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 95 Gengus 03-Feb-06 17:55
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 18:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 Richard Fusniak 03-Feb-06 19:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 106 quixote 03-Feb-06 20:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Gengus 03-Feb-06 21:05
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 quixote 04-Feb-06 07:25
Re: question of animal entitlements... 59 David L 03-Feb-06 22:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 100 Gengus 03-Feb-06 22:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 63 Hoppy 05-Feb-06 01:24


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