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David L wrote:


> > Read your "matter of degree" tree of karmic debt above.
> > According to you plants don't rank as high as humans or
> animals
> > used for meat. How convenient.
>
> You're being obtuse.

I am? Funny how you answer my answer with the same thing I said.

> Plants are on their way to becoming
> animals, animals are on their way to becoming human, humans are
> on their way to becoming super-human. Do you honestly believe
> that the consciousness of a plane is equal to that of a dog or
> human?

So you are proving my point. Thanks! Plants aren't on the level with animals. Animals aren't on the same level as humans and humans aren't on the same level as "super-humans". Simply put they aren't equal.

Yes. All organisms are equal. Except to those who have a need to "believe" they are superior in some way.


> > I will remind you that you said that if a criminal ever
> breaks
> > into your house and you "protect" your family.
>
> I will do that, but I don't own a gun and never will.

Who said anything about a gun. Your personal choice though I don't see how the ownership of a firearm will prevent a person from reaching enlightenment.
Your acceptance of having to take a life, and the free will choice to do so, shows that you are of no higher level now then that of any other human or animal showing parent traits. So much for Rumi and the "mystic" path.


> > Nice but you ain't Rumi.
>
> How do you know? In any case, he is correct and I agree with
> him, as do all mystics. He was speaking for every being, not
> just himself.

Rumi walks it. You talk it. You can agree all you want but it doesn't make it necessarily right, or wrong, or the only path as you believe.
As for "all mystics".... I doubt it.

>Man you are obtuse...

What's my weight got to do with it? Is there a weight limit on the express elevator to nirvana now?


> > How can you insist that there isn't if you haven't reached
> > enlightenment?
> > Sounds like the patient becoming the doctor after having
> > viewed their own X-ray images.
> > There are other ways to get there but they aren't your way.
> Is
> > it a fear that your path might not be the best, or easiest,
> > way?
>
> Whatever...we're through here.

Thanks for the confirmation! See ya!

Oh one more thing ..... still no answer.
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Somehow I think you wouldn't hesitate to kill a "poor" creature in the wild to survive whether for food or defensive reasons.


Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo


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question of animal entitlements... 176 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 15:18
Re: question of animal entitlements... 74 Gengus 03-Feb-06 16:45
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 David L 03-Feb-06 16:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 77 lobo-hotei 03-Feb-06 17:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 103 David L 03-Feb-06 22:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 132 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 00:40
Re: question of animal entitlements... 120 David L 04-Feb-06 15:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 128 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 18:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 04-Feb-06 21:00
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Marduk 04-Feb-06 21:11
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 05-Feb-06 04:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 05-Feb-06 13:20
Re: question of animal entitlements... 126 lobo-hotei 05-Feb-06 19:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 58 David L 05-Feb-06 22:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 64 debraregypt 05-Feb-06 22:30
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 David L 06-Feb-06 04:36
Re: question of animal entitlements... 67 Marduk 06-Feb-06 04:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 60 come on pilgrim 06-Feb-06 14:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 03:24
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Marduk 06-Feb-06 03:46
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:42
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 13:16
Re: question of animal entitlements... 109 Marduk 06-Feb-06 14:57
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 David L 06-Feb-06 17:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 85 Marduk 06-Feb-06 17:59
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 18:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 06-Feb-06 19:01
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 20:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:15
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:41
Re: question of animal entitlements... 114 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 116 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 22:03
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 David L 06-Feb-06 21:48
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 136 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 18:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 110 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 136 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:04
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:22
Re: question of animal entitlements... 119 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:34
Re: question of animal entitlements... 87 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 21:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:51
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 130 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Raja 06-Feb-06 22:47
Re: question of animal entitlements... 118 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 23:26
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:56
advocating devilry.... 109 come on pilgrim 04-Feb-06 00:55
Re: advocating devilry.... 110 David L 04-Feb-06 15:34
Re: advocating devilry.... 113 Gengus 04-Feb-06 16:52
My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 62 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 00:15
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 101 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:34
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 94 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:47
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 74 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 13:39
Try the Mediterranean diet 62 Raja 09-Feb-06 20:11
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 62 debraregypt 10-Feb-06 02:31
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 59 Raja 10-Feb-06 22:22
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 108 Raja 09-Feb-06 13:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 95 Gengus 03-Feb-06 17:55
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 18:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 Richard Fusniak 03-Feb-06 19:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 106 quixote 03-Feb-06 20:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Gengus 03-Feb-06 21:05
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 quixote 04-Feb-06 07:25
Re: question of animal entitlements... 59 David L 03-Feb-06 22:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 100 Gengus 03-Feb-06 22:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 63 Hoppy 05-Feb-06 01:24


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