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David L wrote:

> lobo-hotei wrote:
>
> > They took only what they needed to survive.
> >
> > How much life is killed to feed you daily? Plants are a
> living
> > organism.
>
> It's a matter of degree, Killing humans and whales incurs a
> much greater debt than an animal. And a dog or horse or aother
> high mammal is much more significant than say, a lizard. And so
> on down to plants, and plants do have a consciousness, and
> there is a karmic debt but that debt is easily burned off by
> meditation. We have to consume to survive--that's one of the
> things that marks the physical plane as a fallen state--but as
> to how we survive, there are options.

Soooo all organisms aren't created equal? How fortunate for vegetarians that want to espouse Karmic debt.

You never answered whether you would kill to survive.


> > Living in tune with nature is not bad especially when you do
> > not live in a way that espouses "karmic" anything.
>
> Oh really?

Yes. Really.


>And what's your logic on that?

Logic itself. You live by karmic debt because you believe it to be true. Others live their ways because they believe it to be true also. Funny how you want everyone to live your way but not their own. What does karma have to say about that?
Your POV is pertinant only to those who live their lives according to karma. All others don't fall under that set of rules.


>The better one treats
> other beings, the better off he'll be.

Yet you insist those that take only what they need to survive and give thanks, and prayers, for such will still get the same "karmic debt" on them as those that kill needlessly and gluttonously.
Oh wait, this applies only to karma practising vegetarians right?

>We reap what we sow.

Yep. Live a good life, not take life needlessly, give thanks/prayers, teach others promotion of life/nature, and you will get to the happy hunting grounds!

> Every mystic has taught this. Cause and effect. You won't
> negate it by denying it's existence.

And I doubt you will get extra brownie points for condemning all others who don't follow your path.

>
> > You live your way due to "karmic" understanding, they live
> > their way due to "nature" understanding. There is more then
> one
> > path to enlightenment.
>
> There is no enlightenment, no merging with the Source, for a
> non-vegetarian.

Judge and jury. Too bad that "karmic debt" prevents you from the third, huh.

>Just a whole lot of births... Of course it
> takes much more than diet to get to that. Diet is basic... If
> you can't handle that you won't handle the rest of it.

What are the chances that your path is the wrong one?

Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo

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question of animal entitlements... 176 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 15:18
Re: question of animal entitlements... 74 Gengus 03-Feb-06 16:45
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 David L 03-Feb-06 16:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 77 lobo-hotei 03-Feb-06 17:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 103 David L 03-Feb-06 22:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 131 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 00:40
Re: question of animal entitlements... 120 David L 04-Feb-06 15:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 128 lobo-hotei 04-Feb-06 18:19
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 04-Feb-06 21:00
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Marduk 04-Feb-06 21:11
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 05-Feb-06 04:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 05-Feb-06 13:20
Re: question of animal entitlements... 126 lobo-hotei 05-Feb-06 19:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 58 David L 05-Feb-06 22:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 64 debraregypt 05-Feb-06 22:30
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 David L 06-Feb-06 04:36
Re: question of animal entitlements... 67 Marduk 06-Feb-06 04:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 60 come on pilgrim 06-Feb-06 14:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 03:24
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Marduk 06-Feb-06 03:46
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:42
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 13:16
Re: question of animal entitlements... 109 Marduk 06-Feb-06 14:57
Re: question of animal entitlements... 102 David L 06-Feb-06 17:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 85 Marduk 06-Feb-06 17:59
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 18:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 101 Marduk 06-Feb-06 19:01
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 David L 06-Feb-06 20:09
Re: question of animal entitlements... 62 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:15
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:41
Re: question of animal entitlements... 114 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 116 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 22:03
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 David L 06-Feb-06 21:48
Re: question of animal entitlements... 61 David L 06-Feb-06 04:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 136 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 18:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 110 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:49
Re: question of animal entitlements... 135 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:04
Re: question of animal entitlements... 111 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:22
Re: question of animal entitlements... 119 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:34
Re: question of animal entitlements... 87 Marduk 06-Feb-06 21:38
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 06-Feb-06 21:50
Re: question of animal entitlements... 68 Raja 06-Feb-06 21:51
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Marduk 06-Feb-06 22:23
Re: question of animal entitlements... 129 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 22:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 Raja 06-Feb-06 22:47
Re: question of animal entitlements... 118 lobo-hotei 06-Feb-06 23:26
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:58
Re: question of animal entitlements... 69 debraregypt 07-Feb-06 00:56
advocating devilry.... 109 come on pilgrim 04-Feb-06 00:55
Re: advocating devilry.... 110 David L 04-Feb-06 15:34
Re: advocating devilry.... 113 Gengus 04-Feb-06 16:52
My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 62 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 00:15
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 101 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:34
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 94 debraregypt 09-Feb-06 12:47
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 74 come on pilgrim 09-Feb-06 13:39
Try the Mediterranean diet 62 Raja 09-Feb-06 20:11
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 62 debraregypt 10-Feb-06 02:31
Re: Try the Mediterranean diet 59 Raja 10-Feb-06 22:22
Re: My liver? I've been force-feeding myself to make it succulent for you 108 Raja 09-Feb-06 13:28
Re: question of animal entitlements... 95 Gengus 03-Feb-06 17:55
Re: question of animal entitlements... 105 debraregypt 03-Feb-06 18:53
Re: question of animal entitlements... 117 Richard Fusniak 03-Feb-06 19:39
Re: question of animal entitlements... 106 quixote 03-Feb-06 20:08
Re: question of animal entitlements... 115 Gengus 03-Feb-06 21:05
Re: question of animal entitlements... 108 quixote 04-Feb-06 07:25
Re: question of animal entitlements... 59 David L 03-Feb-06 22:33
Re: question of animal entitlements... 100 Gengus 03-Feb-06 22:52
Re: question of animal entitlements... 63 Hoppy 05-Feb-06 01:24


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