> lobo-hotei wrote:
> > They took only what they needed to survive.
> > How much life is killed to feed you daily? Plants are a
> > organism.
> It's a matter of degree, Killing humans and whales incurs a
> much greater debt than an animal. And a dog or horse or aother
> high mammal is much more significant than say, a lizard. And so
> on down to plants, and plants do have a consciousness, and
> there is a karmic debt but that debt is easily burned off by
> meditation. We have to consume to survive--that's one of the
> things that marks the physical plane as a fallen state--but as
> to how we survive, there are options.
Soooo all organisms aren't created equal? How fortunate for vegetarians that want to espouse Karmic debt.
You never answered whether you would kill to survive.
> > Living in tune with nature is not bad especially when you do
> > not live in a way that espouses "karmic" anything.
> Oh really?
>And what's your logic on that?
Logic itself. You live by karmic debt because you believe it to be true. Others live their ways because they believe it to be true also. Funny how you want everyone to live your way but not their own. What does karma have to say about that?
Your POV is pertinant only to those who live their lives according to karma. All others don't fall under that set of rules.
>The better one treats
> other beings, the better off he'll be.
Yet you insist those that take only what they need to survive and give thanks, and prayers, for such will still get the same "karmic debt" on them as those that kill needlessly and gluttonously.
Oh wait, this applies only to karma practising vegetarians right?
>We reap what we sow.
Yep. Live a good life, not take life needlessly, give thanks/prayers, teach others promotion of life/nature, and you will get to the happy hunting grounds!
> Every mystic has taught this. Cause and effect. You won't
> negate it by denying it's existence.
And I doubt you will get extra brownie points for condemning all others who don't follow your path.
> > You live your way due to "karmic" understanding, they live
> > their way due to "nature" understanding. There is more then
> > path to enlightenment.
> There is no enlightenment, no merging with the Source, for a
Judge and jury. Too bad that "karmic debt" prevents you from the third, huh.
>Just a whole lot of births... Of course it
> takes much more than diet to get to that. Diet is basic... If
> you can't handle that you won't handle the rest of it.
What are the chances that your path is the wrong one?