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Peter's problem is that he invokes an intellectual double standard. Here he SEEMS to be trying to ridicule we can explore inferences beyond what the most shallow arguments present. Rather than address that intelligently, he ducks the whole matter. I've seen that from him before, as I've seen it with other skeptics here. Not that the skeptics don't have good points, sometimes they do. But dumbed down comments like this bring nothing to the table, and in my opinion Petey really knows better.

He wrote a lovely piece to explain why it can be reasonably inferred that the pyramids were tombs for the pharoahs, when the evidence directly supporting this is so scant. In order to sustain his hypothesis, he has to ignore, completely, the fact that the GP was found to have a TOTALLY empty 'king's chamber' inside a pyramid that was sealed for millennia.

Peter did a very fine work showing how we can INFER, in spite of the outright lack of direct evidence, that the pyramids were used as tombs. My guess is that he does this for the sake of the politics surrounding the conversation, and that he doesn't want to risk being seen as sympathetic to those who might think other than the way he and his ortho gang does. If this is true, then I can only say 'too bad', because to my mind it would be so constricting having to look over your shoulder every time you are confronted with a new idea, to see if your equally insecure buddies might call you out, make fun of you, and so on.

So, in other words, this style of reasoning is, to Peter's mind, legitimate. Yet here he completely rejects that standard and tries to make fun of it when it comes to the serious research that is done on CCs, and what he **knows** is the flagrant poverty of the Doug and Dave boardstomping explanation.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe I detect peer pressure here. How safe it is to tow the party line when it comes to the absurd inferential assumptions regarding the pyramids in this case. Not saying the research isn't good, it seemed excellent, but when people are content to completely ignore glaring facts like the finding of an empty 'king's chamber', it does seem like something other than, and far less than, true intellectual rigor is in play.

Little wonder, if this is actually true, that somebody with as fine a discriminating mind as Peter's would duck this conversation entirely, totally overlooking the finer points of the discussion. How absurd that he uses precisely this line of thinking and presentation to support one position, the Egypt ortho one, while ridiculing it when it points in another direction. This is precisely the kind of paradoxical inconsistency one would expect from somebody playing a quiet game of politics, rather than the pursuit of truth, because in politics, shallowness and intellectual hypocrisy are fair game - as they are to the immature, that is, people who never really grow up.

Maybe I'm wrong here. I may well be. But I suspect he's part of some sort of Skeptic's Gang and is well enough aware that his peer group will follow his every word, and that that might have ramifications on his 'rep' in due course. It's all so middle school if you ask me. I can practically see the lot of them now, behind the school gym now, in their bomber jackets, plotting their next dastardly deed as they pose for the gals, trying to look cool..

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Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 177 paxton 02-Aug-09 21:58
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 148 Jal Phoenix 03-Aug-09 05:32
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 185 paxton 03-Aug-09 08:46
I would say you haven't... 146 Anomalies 03-Aug-09 19:03
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Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 133 papalou 16-Aug-09 03:57
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 203 papalou 16-Aug-09 04:19
Moderator Caution 164 JonnyMcA 15-Aug-09 21:18
Re: Moderator Caution 148 papalou 16-Aug-09 03:59
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 157 Anomalies 17-Aug-09 17:43
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 169 Richard Fusniak 17-Aug-09 20:59
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 121 martinpescatore 13-Aug-09 07:07
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 186 papalou 15-Aug-09 19:05
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 155 Nebankh 03-Aug-09 00:12
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 169 R and M 03-Aug-09 04:31
WHAT? 156 Deep1 03-Aug-09 05:48
Re: WHAT? 165 R and M 04-Aug-09 04:31
Re: WHAT? 167 R and M 04-Aug-09 04:44
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 164 Me 04-Aug-09 01:23
Re: The Rense crop circle 154 Nebankh 04-Aug-09 01:29
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 145 equestrian 04-Aug-09 03:26
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 159 spitfire888 04-Aug-09 02:09
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 171 drone-note 04-Aug-09 14:52
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 141 Deep1 04-Aug-09 16:22
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 162 drone-note 04-Aug-09 16:39
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 173 dmatherly 04-Aug-09 18:09
They are all over the world 164 debraregypt 05-Aug-09 01:52
good point 171 equestrian 05-Aug-09 03:15
Re: good point 165 Anomalies 05-Aug-09 14:19
Re: They are all over the world 167 paxton 05-Aug-09 12:58
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 158 Pete Vanderzwet 05-Aug-09 07:15
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 145 R and M 05-Aug-09 10:02
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 167 Anomalies 05-Aug-09 14:07
sooo shallow 166 equestrian 05-Aug-09 15:51
Re: sooo shallow 173 Pete Vanderzwet 05-Aug-09 19:04
Re: sooo shallow 165 gaylenb 05-Aug-09 20:26
Yellow Card to Eq 132 equestrian 06-Aug-09 03:30
Re: Yellow Card to Eq 169 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Aug-09 08:07
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 164 poster72 05-Aug-09 16:31
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 161 equestrian 05-Aug-09 16:42
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 167 gaylenb 05-Aug-09 16:50
The Skeptic's Gang... 159 equestrian 05-Aug-09 17:18
For the Skeptic's Gang... 167 Anomalies 05-Aug-09 18:16
Re: For the Skeptic's Gang... 130 poster72 06-Aug-09 20:18
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 169 poster72 05-Aug-09 17:40
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 157 Anomalies 05-Aug-09 19:07
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 178 paxton 05-Aug-09 16:52
Like this,poster72? 159 hut 05-Aug-09 18:06
Re: Like this,poster72? 133 Pete Vanderzwet 05-Aug-09 19:59
Re: Like this,poster72? 136 gaylenb 05-Aug-09 20:30
Re: Like this,poster72? 139 Pete Vanderzwet 05-Aug-09 20:35
Re: Like this,poster72? 164 R and M 06-Aug-09 04:45
Re: Like this,poster72? 142 gaylenb 05-Aug-09 20:28
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 122 R and M 06-Aug-09 04:20
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 149 Anomalies 05-Aug-09 17:12
concentration 159 lukehancock 05-Aug-09 19:44
History 202 s-d.adrain 13-Aug-09 07:28
Interesting Youtube video on crop circles Milo and Deep1 164 spitfire888 13-Aug-09 07:13
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 171 iroquois warrior 15-Aug-09 21:41
A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 170 Deep1 17-Aug-09 18:20
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 163 paxton 17-Aug-09 19:27
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 155 Deep1 17-Aug-09 19:42
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 149 spitfire888 17-Aug-09 20:34
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 184 paxton 18-Aug-09 15:48
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 162 Richard Fusniak 18-Aug-09 16:53
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 179 paxton 18-Aug-09 19:43
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 143 Richard Fusniak 18-Aug-09 19:51
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 152 paxton 18-Aug-09 21:05
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 152 Richard Fusniak 18-Aug-09 22:19
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 179 paxton 18-Aug-09 23:18
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 165 Richard Fusniak 19-Aug-09 06:30
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 166 R and M 19-Aug-09 07:59
Re: A Rational, Bottom-Up Analysis 128 Richard Fusniak 19-Aug-09 08:59
Re: Why are most Crop Circles in England? 162 spitfire888 16-Aug-09 19:31
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