Kees,

> This must have been the utmost in slippery twisting replies
> I've ever seen, but you know that already don't you?

What kind of reply is that? I've obviously not convinced you but then it's up to you to reason why I'm mistaken and I can't see any reasoning in your post to challenge what I wrote. At least I'm making an effort to explain my views and I'd appreciate it if you could do the same instead of becoming what seems to be like personal.

What I wrote is what I replied to you last time we had this dicussion, unless I'm mistaken and was replying to someone else but I have expressed the micro/macro view several times.

Why is it difficult to understand the concept of collective consciousnesses? Psychologists don't have a problem with this concept, they call it group or crowd psychology.

Rob