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Hi Altered-State

. . . What stands out as something of an obfuscated part in LtCol Corso's account are the "filing cabinets and Nut-file" he, General Trudeau, and Senator Strom Thurmond often referred to during their time. . . One must understand something of what maintaining secrets entailed in intelligence circles then and how they're carried over into to today's policies and procedures. . .

Sources and methods of intelligence gathering are not discussed nor are they to be found throughout this thread on purpose or in LtCol Corso's, The Day after Roswell. . . The intelligence agencies actively securing secrets of the US are known for their story telling where the gist of maintaining secrecy is concerned and that strategy continues in play today on purpose – They make no apologies for sounding strange, idiotic, or even as if lying or incomplete since the need-to-know is usually up front with any written or verbal correspondence which is a given. . .


Need-to-know is a paramount requirement with information flow and material handling pertaining to research and development. That hasn't changed despite several significant data breaches over the last decade. Compartmentalization of information and material handling remains very effective despite where there have been breaches as any one data part lost to common knowledge does not necessarily bring down or expose the rest of the secrets that are related or attached. It's meant to frustrate the most avid of investigators and irritate the doubters to where such pursuits are eventually given up or postponed indefinitely to say little about how tiresome and resource demanding investigation often is already. Consider that ones' adversaries can be very crafty in how they steal data or classified information when it is not meant for them in the first place. . .

In such instances it becomes little more than what I call a word-wrestling-match using the usual – The lengthy, the linear, and imprecise language conundrum, as I call it. . . At best, one continues with a great debate sometimes unknowingly embellishing parts of the narrative to suit purposes of print and publication in an effort to explain, thinking one is helpful in doing so. . . Silence is best. . . Not everything written can sound like an encrypted Ian Fleming novel and still be entertaining by design. . .

In some ways, the "Nut-file," X-Files, circular files, have a similar meaning in that they refer to a means of depositing and / or disposing of information. This methodology is not anything new. . .

You're right though, LtCol Corso did not tell all and was probably still under strict measures of secrecy as well as knew better than to do so. Many players in the world are not trustworthy any more than the world a safe place. I suspect only he still knew the details he kept quiet about. He knew of the difficult time one could have firsthand with various agencies. It was part of the post war mentality then given the destructiveness of new weapons. If one were to look at this information flow business from a different point of view such as from a prosecutorial point of view, for instance – What one says can be and will be used against the sayer of said words (classified information or data). If sworn under an oath of secrecy one is bound under the terms and laws that that oath of secrecy is enforced. In a way, that's an additional means of obfuscating narrative or as you suggest, not publishing unadulterated truth.

Grant Cameron has had some time to construct his fast talking narratives. Whether it satisfies him having embellished some of what he portrays as believable as several folks casually assert, is another matter. I wouldn't know. . . Grant brings up several important issues to consider, though, as do Nick Pope, Stan Freidman and others during the years of their investigative efforts. One is constantly subject to rebuttals and threats when data cannot be supplied in support of what that person tells as being the truth as they know it and without deliberately trying to mislead – their truth, in other words. Words often do not do many topics justice as the terms available do not quite describe what is witnessed and experienced or what is still sensitive, but can be undermining to others charged with still keeping secrets. . .

You mention "believe," yet for those who know certain things firsthand they do not have the cumbersome and frustrating mental overhead of believing, disbelieving or doubting as they know without those three mental irritants and obstacles.

You mentioned some doubt about LtCol Corso's promotion to Col – I suspect that that nomenclature of Col is similar to Sergeant or Commander or Admiral or Airman or Private or Seaman or Petty Officer, for instance, as in each of these there are multiple levels in each and the shortened term is often used. Whether that is grounds for mistrusting the individual I wouldn't know. I don't have access to Army personnel files nor do I have the need to have access, either, to official records where some aspects of them were classified or could be checked on a whim. . .

Doubting some of what was published in Corso's book is not anything new as there are obvious measures taken toward maintaining secrecy given that he was an intelligence officer during some difficult periods of US history just as LtCol Jesse Marcel Sr maintained as long as he did. A historical perspective helps to understand why there was a cover-up perpetrated in the first place. . . Take dogma and doctrine practiced in general across time and across the globe that some folks call flat or how the universe once put all celestial bodies revolving around planet earth. Finding out differently did not go over very well then – People were tortured, burnt alive, or exiled when their views put forth. Cultures today may seem more sophisticated, but are just as lethal and nasty, as ever, when it comes to the status quo being upset or threatens to undermine levels of control . . .Again, not anything new. . .

In any case, because compartmentalization of need-to-know information is so broad and currently practiced one is likely to get regularly frustrated with internal belief mechanisms one has adopted. . . It's one of the reasons why there's such a push toward confirmation and disclosure measures. . . Language confirmation and disclosure is limited no matter who has the megaphone to speak let alone in what capacity and authority of representation they assume. . . Curiosity is not always enough to gain secret access or for it to be given easily. . .

One of the angles of investigative pursuits into this phenomenon that is often eluded is what do the other beings do or think or react and why don't they land on one's front lawn – say hello in one's native language – allow a cell-phone video taken to be posted – or something similar to resolve this doubting uncertainty for the vast majority of folks that surrounds this unusual business of their existence and presence?. . At any rate, it does not seem over by a long margin. . .

I maintain, like many others, Knowledge is power – Power to overcome ignorance. . . Overcoming ignorance responsibly is easier said than done – to each their own gifts. . .

"Mind like parachute, must be open to function." ~ Charlie Chan - Famous Chinese detective character

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The Pentagon's UFO Program 4492 Aine 17-Dec-17 19:48
Mod Note > Topic Moved 617 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Dec-17 20:10
Fighter aircraft 741 Reagent 17-Dec-17 21:13
Re: Fighter aircraft 679 Aine 17-Dec-17 21:24
Oh please! 618 Reagent 17-Dec-17 22:40
Re: Oh please! 556 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:55
Apologies! 586 Reagent 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Apologies! 544 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:17
No Worries 526 Reagent 18-Dec-17 03:43
Re: No Worries 541 Archaic 18-Dec-17 03:54
Familiar acronym 508 Reagent 19-Dec-17 20:56
Re: No Worries 502 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:31
Fun, too 561 Reagent 18-Dec-17 18:51
Re: Fun, too 487 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:59
Language conundrum 514 Reagent 19-Dec-17 04:58
Re: Fun, too 426 altered-state 28-Mar-18 04:56
Not so safe secrecy 475 Reagent 29-Mar-18 09:17
Re: Not so safe secrecy 618 altered-state 29-Mar-18 15:01
We are not alone: Alien Presence 647 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 07:13
We are not alone; neither are they 510 Reagent 19-Dec-17 08:47
Re: We are not alone; neither are they 513 Sirhope 19-Dec-17 09:34
We are not alone; neither are they 539 Reagent 19-Dec-17 12:03
Title 14, Section 1211 of U.S. Federal Code: 531 Reagent 19-Dec-17 18:11
Re: Oh please! 509 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:16
Re: Fighter aircraft 508 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:46
Some context of what we're seeing in video 609 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:36
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 625 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:48
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 520 Archaic 17-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 487 Aine 17-Dec-17 22:56
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 484 Aine 17-Dec-17 23:14
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 474 Archaic 17-Dec-17 23:54
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 541 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:35
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 570 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:47
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 456 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:04
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 467 Loki74 18-Dec-17 01:22
Re: Some context of what we're seeing in video 485 Archaic 18-Dec-17 01:46
Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 521 Archaic 18-Dec-17 02:35
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 526 Loki74 18-Dec-17 11:01
Re: Here, Loki - Lazar's Credibility 401 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:29
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 474 Loki74 18-Dec-17 00:22
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 570 PB Bytes 18-Dec-17 03:44
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 470 jeffreyw 18-Dec-17 03:47
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 530 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:50
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Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 463 Aine 18-Dec-17 19:08
Re: 2 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 467 PB Bytes 18-Dec-17 19:09
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 480 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:43
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 399 Aine 28-Mar-18 13:02
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 413 altered-state 28-Mar-18 15:26
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 389 Aine 29-Mar-18 00:40
Re: 1 of 2: The Pentagon's UFO Program 466 altered-state 29-Mar-18 01:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 530 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 06:41
just got and started reading Leslie Kean's book on my kindle 475 greengirl5 18-Dec-17 07:02
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 537 Archaic 18-Dec-17 07:20
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 476 Susan Doris 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 483 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:56
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 467 Aine 18-Dec-17 18:39
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 549 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:11
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 388 Aine 28-Mar-18 00:08
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 404 altered-state 28-Mar-18 05:46
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 448 Anomalies 01-Mar-18 20:03
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 558 Vanya 18-Dec-17 07:36
Already posted 521 drrayeye 18-Dec-17 08:50
Re: Already posted 540 Vanya 18-Dec-17 10:09
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 552 Aine 18-Dec-17 15:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 469 Vanya 19-Dec-17 07:03
This today 545 PB Bytes 20-Dec-17 00:58
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Re: This today 475 Aine 20-Dec-17 18:40
High hopes! 460 greengirl5 20-Dec-17 22:11
Re: High hopes! 445 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:11
Zimbabwae UFO case 487 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:26
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Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 492 Archaic 21-Dec-17 01:41
Re: Zimbabwae UFO case 490 Aine 21-Dec-17 02:02
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Could this be it? 492 greengirl5 21-Dec-17 03:18
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And the one I could/did find... 476 Racho 21-Dec-17 05:34
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very limited consideration imv 456 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:34
Re: very limited consideration imv 476 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:37
try to envision 438 Racho 21-Dec-17 01:47
Re: try to envision 472 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:50
Re: try to envision 424 Nolondil 21-Dec-17 02:23
Re: try to envision 477 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:24
Re: try to envision 457 Racho 21-Dec-17 06:19
Re: try to envision 445 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:53
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Other angles 583 Reagent 21-Dec-17 07:50
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Other angles; in progress and deployed 470 Reagent 21-Dec-17 19:00
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Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 478 WhoWeird 20-Dec-17 21:32
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 477 Aine 21-Dec-17 01:54
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 462 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 02:18
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 448 Archaic 21-Dec-17 04:27
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 441 WhoWeird 21-Dec-17 12:44
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Re: Are all these kids corrupted? 466 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:59
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 476 Aine 21-Dec-17 14:51
Re: The Pentagon's UFO Program 474 Archaic 21-Dec-17 02:22
CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 556 Archaic 21-Dec-17 20:44
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 537 Aine 21-Dec-17 21:29
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 513 drrayeye 21-Dec-17 23:53
Re: CNN interview with pilot and Pentagon Leader 518 Aine 22-Dec-17 02:24
disbelievers? 486 drrayeye 22-Dec-17 18:11
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Re: disbelievers? 510 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 02:48
Re: disbelievers? 470 Aine 23-Dec-17 13:47
You don't see the difference? 476 drrayeye 23-Dec-17 18:41
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Re: You don't see the difference? 533 DUNE 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: You don't see the difference? 616 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:49
US Navy Finally Opening Up About Odd Aerial Phenomena 245 Race Jackson 27-May-19 20:00
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 238 Dr. Troglodyte 27-May-19 22:02
HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 224 Dr. Troglodyte 31-May-19 15:56
Re: HC USA Airing – Time Sensitive 225 Race Jackson 31-May-19 18:27
US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 263 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:18
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 247 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 13:25
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 248 Race Jackson 02-Jun-19 13:56
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 231 WhoWeird 02-Jun-19 14:01
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 242 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-19 02:16
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 264 Race Jackson 03-Jun-19 18:44
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 221 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:20
Mod Warning > Race Jackson 240 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-19 15:22
Re: US MSM UFO Disclosure - What is the Real Agenda? 211 Archaic 25-Jun-19 14:02
Tucker Carlson May 31st 2019 922 Race Jackson 07-Jun-19 00:49
SlaiciffO SoroboruO LaiciffO 270 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 17:58
Thoughts 227 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:15
Re: Thoughts 217 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Jun-19 17:00
Re: Thoughts 209 Archaic 26-Jun-19 11:28
Re: Thoughts 313 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-19 16:05
US Navy Encounters Recent 217 Race Jackson 25-Jun-19 15:41


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