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Just as I previously dropped out of posting for a few years and then returned to tell you about my findings during my absence, I’m now going to drop out of posting threads for another indefinite period, devoting my energies to a joint project with a Hindu man whose E-Mail to me I recently shared with you in my thread about the Mayas.

Also, God willing, now that my wife Sandy and I are back in the harness, we’ll finally get to visit Turkey. If our mutual dreams of going to Turkey become realities, we may also visit the Turkish republics of Bulgaria (home of the biblical Heber or Kubera), Tannu (also Tuva [The Biblical Tubal], Teva or Tiva), one of the world’s most ancient Turkish nations that is still in business, and, of course, the Altai. Tannu is the biblical DAN and the India-Indian DANNU.

However, before doing this, I want to post my maximum evidence about the settling of the Americas. For me, my mind is entirely “made up” that the Turks and the Hindus are the parents of our American Indians. Some of our American Indians also agree with me. Several tribal leaders have written me, saying they are satisfied with the veracity of my findings. In fact, there are already cultural exchanges presently taking place between Siberians and some of our Southwestern tribes. The mystery of their origins is solved. Hopefully, when you read what I am going to say in this posting, as well as in the discussions to follow, you will reach similar conclusions. Also, I hope we’ll put Egypt on the back burner and start devoting all our energies to researching the ancient history and archeology of the Turkish republics, for they are almost unknown to the modern world. I am also going to prove the Sumerian origins of Mexico’s Virgin of Guadalupe in the Inner Space section.

Our Bible and such Hindu books as the Ramayana and the Rig Veda are as much historical as spiritual. In my opinion, they are masterpieces of unusually accurate histories. The truths in the Hindu books are hidden under mountains of gobbledygook, which can become uncovered through proper understanding of what those books are all about. As for the Hebrew Torah, if a person will read it purely as a history book and not as a spiritual work, according to the way Orthodox Jews and cabalists read it, all mysteries will be cleared up. In my opinion, it is the most amazing literary work in the world and a lot easier to decipher than the Hindu holy books. So, let’s get started!


The world-famous Swiss Rabbi, Alexandre Safran, describes what the word “prophecy” means to Jews who live by the Torah:

“The Hebrew language has its own representation of the divisions of time. It proceeds to a curious grammatical representation. It transforms the future into the past and the past into the future. And the passage from one epoch of time to another is made by the simple addition of the letter “vad”, which indicates the sum…time, in its essence is unity.” (La Cabala, p.101.) In short, when the Old Testament prophets “predicted,” the “prediction” was not the future but :past tense.”

When Ezekiel predicted what would or was happening to the Mesechs, Tubal, Gomer, etc., he was telling us about something that happened in the past.


My bible concordance says they were the people inhabiting the mountains between Iberia (today’s Turkish republic of Georgia), Armenia, and Colchis (also in today’s Turkish republic of Georgia).. More about them later.

Genesis 10:2
The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Mesech, and Tiras.

The Meshechs were the slaves of the Phoenicians. But they were glorified slaves. Their job was to procure and oversee slaves for the Phoenicians, teach them skills such as metal and gold working, and other crafts. They also bought and sold manufactured goods for the Phoenicians. The Bible confirms this: “Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were the merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.” (Ezekiel 27:13).

In the Aramaic language that the Phoenicians generally spoke, MESHIKA, the real word for “Meshech,” means Messiah. In Turkish, a similar word means “Mesi” or “Meshi.”

Ezekiel 33:26
There is Mesech, Tubal, and all her multitude; her graves are around about him; all of them are uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused terror in the land of the living.

And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war; and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Yes, thou shall be broken in the midst of the uncircumsized, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword.

Ezekiel 38:2
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of the Mesech and Tubal, and prophesy against him.

And say…Behold, I am against thee, O God, the chief prince of Mesech and Tubal:

And I will turn three back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords…

Ezekiel 39:1
…thou son of man, prophesy against God, and say,…Behold I am against thee oh Gog, the chief prince of Mesech and Tubal:

And I will turn thee back and have but the sixth part of thee, and will cause to come up from north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand,

Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beastds of the fields to be devoured….
And I will send a fire upon Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles:,,,

GOG was the Turkish GOK khanate (kingdom). MAGOG was king of this khanate.: MAGOK. Gog supposedly extended from Siberia into China.


Because the Meshechs were “good” slaves, lovingly working themselves to death for their Phoenician masters, the Phoenicians treated them as if they were saints, just as moneyed people and employers in the USA love our own Meshech (Meshika) immigrants who accept slave wages and other indignities without complaining too much. However, the day came when the Meshika grew tired of their servitude. They rebelled against their masters and recruited surrounding savage hill tribes in Afghanistan and Pakistan to help them. In the Ramayana, these savage hill tribes were called Rakshasas and Pisacas. This rebellion finally spread to southern India, in the area of what is now Kerala.

Kubera (our Heber), God of gold and good fortune, who was really a Bulgarian, captured as many as possible, deporting them to what is now Sri Lanka. He probably reasoned that if they could be taken out of their inhospitable mountain environment and taken to tropical, lush, and fertile Lanka, they’d settle down and behave. But they didn’t. He then took them to Patala or what is now Meso-America. They have been here in America ever since.

With the exception of Moscow, now just a Russian city, you won’t find them in Central Asia and India anymore. To a man, they’re all here!!!

We of the Americas know them as MESHIKA (Mexican; MESHIKA is their Nahuatl name) and MICHOACAN in Mexico, MOCHE or MOCHICA in Peru, MOSKITO in Nicaragua), Here in the United States they are called MUSKEGAN, MUSKOGEE, MICHIGAN, MOHICA, etc. The Hopis are also known as MOKIS. Their origin myths speak of a MUSKI where they once lived.

The Michoacanos of Mexico are especially interesting. The word Michoacan surely derives from the Turkic Meshech-khan or Mesech Khanate (kingdom). They are also called Tarasco and Purépecha. Tarasco derives from the Sanskrit Turushka, meaning “Turk.” Purépecha derives from a name of the five Krishtayas (Aryan or Turkish tribes), meaning Puru-Pasha (Puru leader). Their origin myths state that they were from a place called NARAN-SHAN. In my research I found this NARAN-SHAM in Himachal-Pradesh, India. And I found out much more. I notice that the appearance of the inhabitants of Naran and their dwellings were almost exactly like those of the Tarascos.

Some authorities think that Michoacan was much larger than it was when the Spaniards arrived. Benedict Warren wrote in “The Conquest of Michoacan”: “The anthropologist José Corona Núñez cites the Codex Plancarte to support his contention that at one time the Tarascan kingdom included a large part of Northwestern New Mexico and even extended as far as Zuñi in New Mexico. He bases his argument on the place name Zibulan, which appears in the codex, another name for Zuñi. It is interesting to note that there appears to be some linguistic connection between the Tarascan and the Zuñian.” (p. 4.)

When Ezekiel spoke of Israel, he was not speaking of Palestine. He lived in the Jewish Diaspora after Nebuchadnezzar removed the upper class Hebrews and took them to what are now Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. In fact, tradition has it that he is buried in Afghanistan. In Ezekiel 1:1, he wrote: “Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, as I was among the captives by the river of CHEBAR…” The Chebar river is the Khyber river. Khyber also spelled KHYBER, or KHAIBAR, is the most northerly and important of the passes between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to Indian legends, some demon hordes called Mahesh-asuras and Mashishi once overran Kerala, India, decapitating the native inhabitants with their long machete-like swords. The deity Lord Ayyappa and his armies defeated these decapitator demons, killing the last of them beside the Pampa river. After that, he disappeared to parts unknown, never to be heard from again.

Strange as it may seem, a deified leader named Ayappa-ek (spelled by the early Spaniards as Ai-apa-ek) suddenly appeared in South America as the Decapitator God and king of the ancient Moshica Indians of Peru. Notice the similarity of this name to the Sanskrit Maheshika. Also in the area there is a holy river named Pampa, as well as the ruins of Caral, which are older than the Egyptian pyramids. I am conjecturing that the archeologists studying the Moshica have somehow confused Lord Ayyappa with the decapitator demons.

I believe that Lord Ayyappa led the surviving Mahishi to exile in South America. But why would he have guided the surviving Mahishi to South America after defeating them in India? Why are so many names in Peru and South America’s West Coast the same as in Kerala and other parts of India?

The Inca culture and dialects bristle with strong evidence that they, too, were sons of India. The Incas told the Spaniards that they came from a country “straight across the sea.” The Inca Sun God was named Vira Cocha. Its nearly exact Sanskrit meaning is Vira Kasha (Hero Leader). Another name of the Inca Sun God was Inti Rayma (Indus Rama).

Their leadership castes were called Kechua (Keshva), Moshe (Mahesh or Shiva), Ayar (Immigrant); Aymara (Amara, a name of the Phoenicians. It also means “Home of Indra”). The different Kechua clans had names that were as Indian as curry and rice: Abishira; Abigers; Amuesha; Amoishe; Apurucayali; Cashibo; Cashnahua (Ship Chiefs); Moshe; Mischo Piro; Nahua; Maya; Mayo; Yava; Yagua; Yahwa; Suri; Asuri; Peeshak, etc. The last word, Peeshak derives from the Sanskrit Pisaca, a savage tribe of Mongoloid cannibals that lived in the Himalayas. The Hindu myths state that Kubera banished many of them to Patala (America).

About 1513 AD, a group of Spanish adventurers landed on the west coast of Central America, determined to find golden treasures and new lands to conquer for the King of Spain and the Catholic Church. One of these adventurers was a young man named Vasco Nuñez de Balboa. The Indians told them that in the high mountains lying westward there was a kingdom called Sinú, containing vast deposits of gold, silver, pearls, and other treasures. They also mentioned a much larger kingdom, Birú, lying farther to the south. According to them, the graves of the Sinuans were filled with golden ornaments. The Spaniards decided to find that kingdom and empty those graves of everything except their skeletal occupants. These they did not need.

Before leaving on their odyssey, the Spaniards summoned the chiefs of all the surrounding tribes, telling them that there is only one God and that in 1494, in the Treaty of Tordesillas, Spain, the Pope himself had awarded all these lands to the Spanish Crown. After listening politely to this speech, one of the chiefs stepped forward and said, “No doubt there is only one God, but the Pope must have been drunk to give away what was not his own, and the King of Spain must have been crazy to ask from him what belonged to others. We are lords of these lands and want no other sovereign, and if this king should come to take possession, we would cut off his head and put it on a pole.”

On November 28, 1523, the ships of Ferdinand Magellan, a Portuguese captain in the service of Spain, rounded the southern tip of South America, renaming the South Sea the “Pacific Ocean.” Little did these adventurers know that what they called the Pacific Ocean had already been named The Indian Ocean (Mar Sinarum or Mar Indica) millenniums before by a partnership caste of traders and warriors from Northern India. This caste was called Kuberas or Khyberis. The subcaste (Jati) of traders was called Pani (Phoenicians); the warrior Jati were Yuddhis (Jews).

Thousands of years before the Spaniards whittled the Indian Ocean down to its present size, These Khyberis had named the western coast of South America Shinar. In his book, India in Greece, the famous 17th century oriental scholar, Edward Pococke, wrote that this word Shinar meant “the country of the people of the Indus.” (p. 45.) The real Sanskrit meaning is Sena (People) + Ar (Settlement): Senar. Shinar or Senar was in reality Sinú without the “ar” ending. Seneru is also a little-known name of Mt. Meru. The Sanskrit word for “people” spread throughout both Americas. For example, the Hopi Sino, Mayan Cinta, and Nahuatl Sintle.

As for Birú, we know it today as Perú. The first syllable of this word, Bir, is just another name of the Kuberas or Khyberis. U, which meant, “Lord, High, Superior, etc.,” could have been correctly placed before or after Bir: Ubir/Birú. Either way, the meaning is the same: “The Lord Khyberis (The Phoenicians and Jews).” The Old Testament mentions this empire of silver and gold as Ophir. Cologne’s Sanskrit Dictionary says the word Peru means “Golden Mountain.” It’s also another name of India’s mythical Mr. Meru.

The Assyrians called them Musku. Herodotus writes of the Moschi (Moski). The Tiglath-pileser, mentioned in the Old Testament, tells in an inscription (ca 100 BC) that the Mus-ka-a-a were able to put into the field an army of 20,000 men. Josephus mentions Mosocheni (Mosokeni) and Mosoch. Moscow, Russia was named after them. In olden times, it was said that anyone encroaching on their home territories had to be crazy.
In the Old World, they were known by the following names: Me'shech, Mes'ek, Meshekh, Mushch, Muschki, Mushki, Mishi, Muski, Mushku, Musku, Muskeva, Muska, Muskaa, Muskai, Maskali, Machar, Maskouci, Mazaca, Massagatae, Modar-es, Moskhi, Mosher, Moshch, Moschis, Mosoch, Moschi, Moschian, Mo'skhoi, Moschoi, Mosochenu, Mossynes, Mosynoeci, Moskva, Moscovy, Mas-ar, Mas-gar, Masgar, Mazar, Madj, Madjar, Makr-on, Makar, Makaroi, Merkar, Magor, Magar, Magyar; in India as Massaga, Mahesh, Maheshasura, Mahishi, etc.

Some Fundamentalist Christian preachers may disagree with my “identification” of the Meshechs. Many of them say that the Russians, Japanese or Arabs are the Meshechs. However, I don’t see anything like “Meshech” in those names. The gospel truth is that Meshech = Meshika = Mexican!!

Just as their forefathers did back in Central Asia and Northern India in ancient times, many Mexican-American activists and their Anglo-American turncoats are urging today’s Meshechs to rise up and take over this country. An estimated one million Meshikas a month are crossing into the USA. Could they ever defeat America? It didn’t happen that way during Ezekiel’s time.

In order to determine whether they can win or not, we must remember what Rabbi Alexandre Safran said: about proper interpretation of “prophesy” in the Torah: “It transforms the future into the past and the past into the future.” In other words, history always repeats itself.

The Meshika will lose just as they did back in Ezekiel’s time. This is one reason why I wrote my book “What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico.” I even dedicated it to the Mexicans. It tells them how they can rehabilitate and reform their country peacefully, without ever having to invade this country or any other country. As far as we “gringos” are concerned, we can end this invasion simply by just allowing them to come in as temporary guest workers. Right now, the Meshika come in without any intention of going back home. With a temporary guest worker program, the money immigrants earn here would be spread out more equitably among the total population in Mexico, thus giving the Mexicans the capital they need to lift up their standard of living. That’s the way they can end their near slave status in this country.

Gene D. Matlock

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Why Are the Biblican Meshechs No Longer in Central Asia but in the Americas? 911 gene douglas 03-Nov-06 18:10
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