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Howdy Wireloop,

Really enjoying your multi-threaded dialogue with Kimberly at this end. It seems to me y'all have much more in common than either will allow (particularly with respect to a synthesis of Greek and Hebrew thought), however, that's only an observation on my part -- I may be way off-base.

As regards the bottles/wine and patched garment parables: I'd always considered them in the sense of container and contained, with the idea that neither are comprehensible without the other. Witness:

"No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse." (Mt 9:16, my emphasis)

That which is put in to fill it up is pleroma in the Greek, in the sense of repletion or completion. Fullness.

"Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved." (Mt 9:16, my emphasis)

It seems an odd embellishment that the bottles do "perish" (or apollumi, in the Greek), particularly in that we've been told they've already burst and the wine has run out. Unless, of course, the writer seeks to emphasize a failure of purpose or function in those bottles in that the wine was not adequately contained.

Parachutists might be familiar with the term "snivel." This is what you get when, in free-fall, you've deployed your parachute and, for whatever reason (tangled shrouds, etc.), it fails to fill with air and sort of flaps in the breeze above you. "Perish" is not an embellishment in this instance . . .

>>Nowhere in the context of the verses that you quote does it mention a resurrection of a new body. Again you are using subjective ideas, according to your literalist doctrine, to interpret ancient texts.
Is it really so hard to believe that the NT is an evolved philosophy that embellished 'the annointing' (Christ consciousness)?<<

Certainly, in my view, the NT is evolved in the sense that it builds on much of the OT. From the NT writers, we know Jesus made reference to the former text fairly frequently in presenting his bona fides. With respect to spirit and body, I was wondering what you (or Philo) might make of this passage from the minor prophets:

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." (Joel 2:28-29)

Warm regards,
Mark

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