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Hi Wireloop,

Actually, technically, I'm not really a "literalist". The literalists believe Creation took place a literal 6 days. A day being a 24-hour period. They also believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, etc., etc. I don't believe these things .I believe the Bible is full of hidden meanings and mysteries, full of allegory and history, as well as wisdom and prophecy.

The Bible also contains information on precessional time, movements of planets, constellations, etc. It's an amazing book! Melchezidek is an interesting study. The order of Melchezidek began with Adam and was passed down through Eber. The Levitical Priesthood started with Moses, then ended when Jesus arrived. Jesus then became Melchizidek, The High Priest , so there is no more need for the Levitical Priesthood. Abraham met with Melchizedek who I believe was Shem because he was still living at the time. The book of Jasher mentioned in the book of Joshua and 1 Samuel, states that Melchizek was Shem.

Now regarding the Greeks and the New Testament. You state that the Apostles "borrowed" from the Greeks, namely, Philo. I say, that they were actually "sharing" knowledge that was passed down for milennia. The Greeks did already have the philosophies, because it was passed down to them.

I don't believe the New Testament contains anything "new" in the sense of the philosophies and teachings that are there. Did you know that the Greeks are the ancestors of the Hebrews? The Hebrews at one time, lived in Egypt. Egypt has a history that goes way back. The Bible is nothing new. The Bible was actually written thousands of years ago. Some forms of it appear in the Pyramid Texts, and the Book of the Dead from the Papyrus of Ani. Our modern Bible IS a repeat of the old teachings, because the old teachings were and are the same things that God has been speaking since the beginning.

Matthew 13:35 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

1Peter 1:20 Who (Jesus) verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

As King Solomon stated...
Ecclesiastes 1:9 "The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun."

These things were known of "old". Jesus made an appearance as "the Angel of the Lord" several times in the past as witnessed in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, he becomes a man in order to demonstrate the "Face of God" and his love forus.

Hebrews 9:26 "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

The Bible IS the same story we read about time and again in ancient history. It was written in the stars, it was written in stone, and then transferred to papyri, goat skins, and paper.

Jesus is represented by the "Spinx" which is a representation of the Zodiac which begins with the Virgin and ends with Lion (Leo). Jesus, born of a virgin, rose tobecome "The Great Lion of Judah".

Jesus is the "Phoenix Bird" that died and rose from ashes.

Jesus is the "Ben ben Stone", the "stone which the builders rejected", by not putting a capstone on the Great Pyramid, etc, etc.,

Nothing was ever "borrowed", but only passed down from generation to generation. The same story. (the names may have changed with language changes, but they are the same story)

Yes, you are correct, the Apostles did use the same words as the Greeks because they held the same meaning as they did thousands of years ago. "To the Jew first (Judah), then to the Greek (Israel)." as Paul stated.

Now regarding the "new body" or the resurrection....

As you yourself stated "the passages are parables." Why did Jesus speak in parables?

Mat thew 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is NO resurrection, and asked him,

Mark 12:18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is NO resurrection; and they asked him, saying,

The Sadducees believed there was "no resurrection".
1Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:21 For since by man (Adam) [came] death, by man (Jesus) [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: (that is incorruptible blood....Jesus' blood was incorruptible. It was special. It was different)

John 5:28-29
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Both the good and evil or the just and the unjust are going to be resurrected.

So this cannot possibly be refering to a "spiritual resurrection." For if this was referring to merely "spiritual resurrection" then ONLY" the good" would be participating. Therefore this must be referring to another, literal resurrection of the body.

There are two resurrections referred to in the NT. The first resurrection is that of the "spirit", the second resurrection is that of the "body". In the book of the Revelation: "happy and holy are those who take part in the first resurrection."

I have meditated on these things for years. And unless God shows me something different, I maintain my belief in a "literal resurrection of the body" as the "second resurrection".

With much respect,

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