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Hi Jag,

Yes, I think we are thinking along the same lines. I personally, don't like to use the word "pagan" for the ancient Gnostics. Pagan suggests that they worshipped a myriad of gods and performed rituals and sacrifices to these gods. I don't think this was the case with the "original Egyptians", or at least their leaders or Priests. The "pagan" worship was introduced later, no doubt......that seems to be the nature of mankind, never satisfied with worshipping and obeying the One True God.

As for Akhenaten, I 've read your post (good post) and I have heard these things also. Some want to equate Moses with Akhenaten, but I would suggest that he was the Pharaoh that gave Moses the hard time in Egypt. The Bible indicates that after Pharoah had lost his army in the Sea of Reeds or the Red Sea after persuing the Israelites, he finally surrendered to God and was converted. So it could have been him.

I think the ancients called their founding fathers "gods" in the same way the Bible uses the term "sons of God" to denote the ancient ancestors of the Hebrews. They weren't really gods in themselves but exhibited qualities of being the creation of God in His image.

In the KJV Bible we read:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 38:4-7 (God speaking to Job)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Then in the New Testament:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Before Adam's "Fall from the Garden", he was different, now whether he was a "being of light or not", I can only guess. He was "unspotted from the world". There was peace and harmony in the world in which he lived. He and Eve only knew to do "good" in the eyes of God.

Then the "Serpent" introduced "evil" to Eve and Adam. Now they would know to do BOTH good AND evil. I think it's rather a simple concept. It had nothing to do with worldly knowledge of the sciences, etc., it had to do with "spiritual" knowledge.

Now mankind has been desparately trying to "return" to his "original state" ever since. This is where the promise of the coming seed to Adam was. God told Adam that even though he had sinned and lost his former state of "harmony" with God and nature, that He was going to send a "saviour" to redeem Adam and his descendants in order to return them to their original state. Much of the Bible is about the restoration of God's Kingdom on Earth to where it was in ancient times. This is why is was so important to Adam and Seth and to build the Gizeh complex... so that he and his descendants would have a way to wait and watch for the "signs of the times" and the arrival of their saviour.

I gathered this from reading the Bible and The Lost Books of Eden, and the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus.

And as the ancient Egyptians called it, the time of Zep Tepi (the first time) - the golden age of peace and harmony.


Kind Regards,
Kimberly

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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 819 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 230 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 232 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 281 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 233 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 184 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 204 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 207 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 223 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 270 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 200 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 242 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 185 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 205 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 223 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 221 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 217 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 166 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 227 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 184 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 197 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 192 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 198 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 168 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 217 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 202 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 238 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 191 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 207 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 174 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 210 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 174 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 196 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 239 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 210 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 196 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 223 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 205 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 229 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 175 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 223 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 232 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 211 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 210 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 175 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 221 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 210 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 177 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 191 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 221 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 232 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 218 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 231 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 220 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 229 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 234 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 234 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 218 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 210 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 221 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 237 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 218 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 227 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 217 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 241 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 237 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 265 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 217 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 240 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 262 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 197 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 228 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 181 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 249 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 208 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 216 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 267 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 229 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 221 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 217 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 183 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 202 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 197 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 228 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 221 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 176 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 178 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 182 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 227 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 267 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 280 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 225 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Van People connection 232 Dominick Ohrbeck 26-Mar-04 00:33
Re: Van People connection 426 Kboldt 26-Mar-04 13:31


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