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Hi Kees,

I thought my ears were burning today! I don't know what else I can add that already hasn't been said in this post. I thought Sphinx and Kim gave very impressive replies.

Perhaps there is just one thing I can add... In Isaiah, it mentions how "the Word" percipitates down into man's consciousness, where it's processed and hopefully returns to source:

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:9-11

I would say that this cyclical process is one of the processes that has helped the pagan "saviour" stories come to us. As Lawrence Gardner has said, the "Grail" bloodline of royalty and rulership stretches back to the Anunaki. These are the Nephilm, the offspring of fallen angels and human women (this story is also told outside of the Biblical canon). These giants, "heroes of old" and "men of renown", as Genesis calls them, would have been very aware of "the Word" and of Jesus and it doesn't take much of a leap to figure out why most organised religions contain features that can be traced back to ancient Babylonian and Egyptian mystery school teachings because this is where it all began, where the Nephilim and their early royal descendents had their base, in the region of Sumer.

The Roman Church would not have come into existence without the considerable support of Emperor Constantine, the first throned "Chrisitian" who some maintain exploited Christianity for political purposes. It was Constantine who convened the Council of Nicaea. Its declared purpose was to decide on theological disputes which had arisen concerning the essence and nature of Christ!

It's also no coincidence that the head of the world wide body of the Church of England is Royalty.

In the East too, emperors have also historically been seen as the figure heads of religion. But even if we discount the possibilty of the royal blood lines originating back to ancient Sumer and the surrounding region, it's not difficult to show that the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian "secret faith" is still to this day guiding civilisation globally. The fingerprints of this "secret faith" are to be found in the symbols, rituals, regalia and "invisible societies" surrounding governement, of every sovereign state on earth. Jesus was right not to challenge Satan when Satan said all these kingdoms were his and to whomever he so desired he had the authority to give it. The book of Revelation also confirms this at the point where John sees an angel pour the contents of a bowl on Satan's throne:

"And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast." - Revelation 16-10a

The pouring out of the bowl upon the throne of the wild beast involves a proclamation revealing the true role that the Dragon has played and still plays in supporting and promoting world governments. Revelation continues, showing the result of this proclamation:

"And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for their pain, but they blasphemed the God of heaven for their pains and for their ulcers, and they did not repent of their works." - Revelation 16:10b-11

I said "hopefully", in the lead up to the verses from Isaiah above because at the present time not everything is returning back to God as intended. This is because false doctrines and creeds have sprung up all over the place like weeds choking a garden, thus syphoning off precious energy, which accounts for all of humanity's ills.

This startling situation was remarkably portrayed in John's vision on Patmos, where he saw the Lamb symbolically bleeding with a wound at the throne of God. This wound is the gap caused by the suffering of mankind due to "the Word" not returning back to God in its entirety. It is this gap or this abyss, to be more descriptive and accurate, that is the difference between the man-made common reality matrix and the natural, innocent, pure and unadulterated reality.

It is the abyss which "Milo" perceives, in the film "The Phantom Tollbooth", when he first sees the Castle in the Air. He wonders how on earth he's going to cross this abyss but he takes courage and like the fool, he puts one foot out into the canyon. A symbolic step in a staircase suddenly supports his feet. As Milo gains confidence, the staircase extends and delivers him to the Castle in the Air, where he hopes the Princesses of Ryhme and Reason can resolve mankinds squabbles.

We are all "Milos", just as we are all "Dorothys" or "Frodos". We can all make a connection to the Christ consciousness by letting go of our selfish and materialistic modes of thinking. It's an ongoing refinning spiritual process.

Our wound will begin to be healed as we enter this new consciousness, as John perceived symbolically in his visions, when the nations are cured by the leaves of the Trees of Life...

"And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his slaves will render him sacred service; and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads." - Revelation 22: 1-4

regards
Rob

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Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 967 Kees 11-Mar-04 17:14
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 278 newrisingsun 11-Mar-04 19:08
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 279 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 345 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 20:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 277 David L 11-Mar-04 21:39
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 227 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:45
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 254 David L 12-Mar-04 18:29
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 260 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:00
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 265 David L 13-Mar-04 15:55
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 325 Sphinx 11-Mar-04 23:59
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 240 Milo 12-Mar-04 01:08
Word is Egyptian 287 Lee McGiffen 12-Mar-04 13:31
Linguistics, diffusion question 235 ananda 12-Mar-04 16:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 247 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:06
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 276 ArmchairObserver 12-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 260 Milo 12-Mar-04 19:02
Erm, thats a circle 263 Kees 13-Mar-04 13:05
Re: Erm, thats a circle 206 newrisingsun 13-Mar-04 14:09
Re: Erm, thats a circle 272 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 234 ArmchairObserver 14-Mar-04 06:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 245 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:44
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 236 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 13:24
You're post is goroundless ad hominem NRS 244 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:48
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 210 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 258 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 248 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 281 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:13
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 237 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 253 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 214 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:36
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 255 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 20:50
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 216 Milo 15-Mar-04 20:55
BTW... 242 Milo 15-Mar-04 22:58
Re: BTW... 285 newrisingsun 15-Mar-04 23:26
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 253 Milo 15-Mar-04 17:54
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 239 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 13:52
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 266 Mark Staab 15-Mar-04 18:38
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 247 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:45
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 272 Dominick Ohrbeck 12-Mar-04 18:19
Re: Linguistics, diffusion question 217 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 18:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 266 Milo 12-Mar-04 18:04
Re: Word is Egyptian 275 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:32
Re: Word is Egyptian 256 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 20:30
Re: Word is Egyptian 264 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 217 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 21:14
Re: Word is Egyptian 263 Milo 12-Mar-04 21:37
Re: Word is Egyptian 254 Kboldt 12-Mar-04 22:40
Re: Word is Egyptian 219 Milo 12-Mar-04 23:00
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 235 Dominick Ohrbeck 13-Mar-04 00:05
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 263 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 16:08
Re: Word is Dalamatian? 282 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:58
Re: Word is Egyptian 261 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:28
Re: Word is Egyptian 284 Sphinx 13-Mar-04 00:01
Re: Word is Egyptian 266 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 14:56
Re: Word is Egyptian 275 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:12
Re: Word is Egyptian 280 Milo 13-Mar-04 00:43
Re: Word is Egyptian 284 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 00:47
Re: Word is Egyptian 262 Milo 13-Mar-04 01:31
The Pendulum swings ... 255 Thirdwave 13-Mar-04 11:18
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 266 Nebankh 13-Mar-04 11:38
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 281 Thirdwave 14-Mar-04 00:54
Re: The Pendulum swings ... 262 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:48
Greatest twist ever 269 Kees 13-Mar-04 14:37
Re: Greatest twist ever 263 Milo 15-Mar-04 12:56
Re: Greatest twist ever 283 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:25
Re: Greatest twist ever 286 Milo 16-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Word is Egyptian 312 Kboldt 15-Mar-04 17:55
Re: Word is Egyptian 255 Nebankh 16-Mar-04 11:13
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 279 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:43
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 316 Sphinx 12-Mar-04 00:11
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 246 Milo 12-Mar-04 00:57
Please help me out 271 Kees 13-Mar-04 15:35
Re: Please help me out 222 Milo 15-Mar-04 13:04
Re: Please help me out 292 Kees 16-Mar-04 20:41
Re: Please help me out 251 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:13
Re: I need to add.... 260 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 21:46
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 309 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 21:17
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 273 Kees 11-Mar-04 21:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 264 Hoppy 11-Mar-04 21:50
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 262 Kboldt 11-Mar-04 22:44
Re: Pre world Jezus / question for Milo 229 Cesar 12-Mar-04 20:35
1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 251 Dominick Ohrbeck 16-Mar-04 05:45
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 251 Kboldt 16-Mar-04 13:39
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 273 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 03:14
Re: 1Enoch; OT; UB; Invisible Elite 266 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:31
Oops, let' try those Sethite links again. 217 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:36
One more time.... 222 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 15:40
Re: One more time.... 232 Dominick Ohrbeck 17-Mar-04 20:24
Re: One more time.... 271 Kboldt 17-Mar-04 21:03
Re: One more time.... 335 Dominick Ohrbeck 25-Mar-04 19:48
Urantia/Urartia/Ur/Urani/Uranos 342 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 20:31
Re: Van People connection 269 Kboldt 25-Mar-04 21:06
Re: Van People connection 276 Dominick Ohrbeck 26-Mar-04 00:33
Re: Van People connection 528 Kboldt 26-Mar-04 13:31


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