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Dear Melusine


Sorry I am a little new to the site so if I say anything out of turn or put my comments in the wrong part of the thread then please bear with me. Also my spelling is appalling so I apologize in advance! I am afraid that my comments won't be on a mystical nature either although I think that side of it is fascinating too.

I have read quite a few books on subjects that get interwoven with the Templars including the role of women, the Magdalene Cult, Isis cults, Prieure de Sion, Rennes Le Chateau etc etc. I am no expert though. I would like to say though that I am not taking this from a religious point of view nor I am saying that these are completely my opinions. The information out there is way too fuzzy for me to start stating things like they are given facts!

I have not come across the Daughters of God before although I am not surprised that such an organisation existed. Thank you for directing me to them. The Templars were a fascinating lot and there are lots of hints that women were more important than it seems at first glance. I need to quickly expand that with some general history if you don’t mind.

The role of women has always played an important if understated part in English history which, of course, (English history that is) is not the be all and end all. English history has been somewhat clouded by Victorian values which was a reaction to the Regency period that preceded it. The latter being a rather risqué time of Lord “mad bad and dangerous to know” Byron and his many open affairs. The reason why I brought this up is that the traditional view of women in the middle ages is one of submissive pawns in a power game which is not wholly accurate. Two examples to counter this spring to mind; Richard II of England made a court lady (sorry can’t remember her name) a Duchess in her own right and then of course there is Eleanor of Aquitaine. She went on the 2nd Crusade, ruled her sons, Richard the Lionheart and John (Magna Carta) with an iron fist and led a rebellion against her husband Henry II of England. She also came from a court in France that was positively trend setting. Her father blazed the trail for the fashion of Courtly Love and troubadours where women were put on a pedestal and worshiped from afar (how nice….). Incidentally the Grail stories began to flourish at about the same time.

Back to the Templars – If one goes with the theory (and there are many variations on this theme) that they were the physical arm of Prieure de Sion; that they believed/believe that Jesus was married to Mary and had a daughter who grew up in what is now France; she, in turn, started a line of kings (of whom some people argue Eleanor’s father was one descendent) whose blood line is still alive and well, then the role of women for those “in the know” was vital. I know that this smacks of The Da Vinci Code and the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail but if (and only if) they are right in some of their theories then a similar female order in “sister hood” to the Templars is not all that surprising. Admittedly the article in question is more about the spiritualism and symbols of the Orders and the link between the two seems to be suggested rather than definite. However, it does fit in with in with the importance of women and the role they played in these theories.

Okay that’s it for my little spiel, thanks for reading and I am now ducking for cover.

Smetters

P.S. Don’t get me started on the Freemasons!

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 768 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 384 Mark Staab 26-Feb-04 05:21
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 305 Melusine 26-Feb-04 13:31
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 305 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 15:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 266 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:23
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 347 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:35
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 342 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:58
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 306 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 385 Milo 26-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 296 Melusine 26-Feb-04 21:06
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 307 Milo 26-Feb-04 21:13
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 400 Melusine 28-Feb-04 17:41
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 292 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:11
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 311 Melusine 28-Feb-04 18:21
Will do, thanks! n/t 313 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:29
Smokescreen for science and wealth? 291 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 294 Milo 02-Mar-04 19:19
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 302 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 288 Milo 02-Mar-04 20:58
I forgot to add... 314 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
Re: I forgot to add... 343 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 21:28
Superiority raises its ugly head 283 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 318 Milo 03-Mar-04 15:10
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 323 Archietype 04-Mar-04 17:25
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 310 Milo 04-Mar-04 17:48
Re: writing 389 Archietype 04-Mar-04 18:31
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 305 Mark Staab 04-Mar-04 18:08
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 336 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 295 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:10
Over the Rainbow... 387 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
Re: Over the Rainbow... 363 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:39
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 337 Lee McGiffen 04-Mar-04 09:32
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 315 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:48
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 389 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:13
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 310 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:04
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 359 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:07
My two cents... 335 Milo 04-Mar-04 16:16
Re: My two cents... 308 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 18:09
Re: My two cents... 245 Milo 04-Mar-04 19:23
Re: My two cents... 266 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 19:32
Re: My two cents... 362 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:30
Re: My two cents... 342 Melusine 05-Mar-04 09:30
Re: My two cents... 243 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 13:49
Re: My two cents... 280 Melusine 04-Mar-04 21:46
Re: My two cents... 221 Milo 04-Mar-04 22:32
On further thought... 295 Milo 05-Mar-04 06:08
Re: On further thought... 346 Melusine 06-Mar-04 15:29
Re: On further thought... 296 Milo 06-Mar-04 16:55
Re: My two cents too 247 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:30
Re: My two cents too 278 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:09
Re: My two cents too 283 debraregypt 07-Mar-04 17:27
Re: My two cents too 271 Milo 07-Mar-04 18:31
Re: My two cents too 339 Melusine 09-Mar-04 07:41
Re: My two cents too 328 Milo 09-Mar-04 08:07
Re: My two cents too 279 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 08:56
Re: My two cents too 294 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:13
Re: My two cents too 335 debraregypt 10-Mar-04 01:08
Re: My two cents too 291 Milo 10-Mar-04 01:19
Re: My two cents too 334 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 15:01
Big Misunderstanding!!! 340 Milo 10-Mar-04 16:59
Re: Big Misunderstanding!!! 324 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 17:36
Some more cents... 280 Anthony Taylor 09-Mar-04 19:37
Re: Some more cents... 285 Milo 09-Mar-04 20:12
Re: Some more cents... 300 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:22
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 232 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:23
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 313 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:36
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 347 smetters 05-Mar-04 13:31
The Message of the Marriage of Cana 377 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 17:08
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 323 smetters 05-Mar-04 17:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 277 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 13:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 317 smetters 08-Mar-04 17:47
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 339 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 19:49
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 361 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 22:40
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 343 Melusine 09-Mar-04 08:20
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 370 smetters 09-Mar-04 13:27
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 314 Kboldt 09-Mar-04 13:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 270 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:02
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 364 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:31
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 301 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:57
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 325 smetters 09-Mar-04 16:54
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 287 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:37
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 263 Mark Staab 10-Mar-04 01:42
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 299 Melusine 11-Mar-04 01:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 297 Mark Staab 11-Mar-04 07:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 362 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 16:35
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 224 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:32
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 296 smetters 10-Mar-04 10:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 280 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:18
I for got this part... 361 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 18:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 357 Milo 05-Mar-04 18:21
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 335 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 03:16
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 271 David L 07-Mar-04 05:30
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 350 Melusine 11-Mar-04 02:05
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 262 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 14:53
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 365 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 15:58
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 345 Nebankh 07-Mar-04 22:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 297 Melusine 11-Mar-04 04:00
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 297 ananda 04-Mar-04 13:10
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 293 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:34
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 350 ananda 02-Mar-04 23:14
Feudalism is still with us, thanks to the secret socieites 342 Milo 02-Mar-04 23:40
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 285 Melusine 03-Mar-04 03:01
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 375 ananda 03-Mar-04 03:36
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Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 275 Melusine 04-Mar-04 19:54
Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 280 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 289 smetters 03-Mar-04 20:49
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 295 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 335 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:57
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 258 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 00:03
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 340 Melusine 09-Mar-04 08:00
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Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 419 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:45
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