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Dear Melusine


Sorry I am a little new to the site so if I say anything out of turn or put my comments in the wrong part of the thread then please bear with me. Also my spelling is appalling so I apologize in advance! I am afraid that my comments won't be on a mystical nature either although I think that side of it is fascinating too.

I have read quite a few books on subjects that get interwoven with the Templars including the role of women, the Magdalene Cult, Isis cults, Prieure de Sion, Rennes Le Chateau etc etc. I am no expert though. I would like to say though that I am not taking this from a religious point of view nor I am saying that these are completely my opinions. The information out there is way too fuzzy for me to start stating things like they are given facts!

I have not come across the Daughters of God before although I am not surprised that such an organisation existed. Thank you for directing me to them. The Templars were a fascinating lot and there are lots of hints that women were more important than it seems at first glance. I need to quickly expand that with some general history if you don’t mind.

The role of women has always played an important if understated part in English history which, of course, (English history that is) is not the be all and end all. English history has been somewhat clouded by Victorian values which was a reaction to the Regency period that preceded it. The latter being a rather risqué time of Lord “mad bad and dangerous to know” Byron and his many open affairs. The reason why I brought this up is that the traditional view of women in the middle ages is one of submissive pawns in a power game which is not wholly accurate. Two examples to counter this spring to mind; Richard II of England made a court lady (sorry can’t remember her name) a Duchess in her own right and then of course there is Eleanor of Aquitaine. She went on the 2nd Crusade, ruled her sons, Richard the Lionheart and John (Magna Carta) with an iron fist and led a rebellion against her husband Henry II of England. She also came from a court in France that was positively trend setting. Her father blazed the trail for the fashion of Courtly Love and troubadours where women were put on a pedestal and worshiped from afar (how nice….). Incidentally the Grail stories began to flourish at about the same time.

Back to the Templars – If one goes with the theory (and there are many variations on this theme) that they were the physical arm of Prieure de Sion; that they believed/believe that Jesus was married to Mary and had a daughter who grew up in what is now France; she, in turn, started a line of kings (of whom some people argue Eleanor’s father was one descendent) whose blood line is still alive and well, then the role of women for those “in the know” was vital. I know that this smacks of The Da Vinci Code and the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail but if (and only if) they are right in some of their theories then a similar female order in “sister hood” to the Templars is not all that surprising. Admittedly the article in question is more about the spiritualism and symbols of the Orders and the link between the two seems to be suggested rather than definite. However, it does fit in with in with the importance of women and the role they played in these theories.

Okay that’s it for my little spiel, thanks for reading and I am now ducking for cover.

Smetters

P.S. Don’t get me started on the Freemasons!

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Mysticism and Knights Templars 647 Melusine 26-Feb-04 04:39
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 331 Mark Staab 26-Feb-04 05:21
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 261 Melusine 26-Feb-04 13:31
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 262 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 15:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 222 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:23
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 297 Dominick Ohrbeck 15-Mar-04 18:35
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 294 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:58
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 261 Melusine 26-Feb-04 18:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 342 Milo 26-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 255 Melusine 26-Feb-04 21:06
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 262 Milo 26-Feb-04 21:13
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 361 Melusine 28-Feb-04 17:41
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 247 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:11
Re: I found an interesting site for you Milo 266 Melusine 28-Feb-04 18:21
Will do, thanks! n/t 276 Milo 28-Feb-04 18:29
Smokescreen for science and wealth? 246 ananda 02-Mar-04 15:46
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 243 Milo 02-Mar-04 19:19
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 258 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 20:24
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 242 Milo 02-Mar-04 20:58
I forgot to add... 269 Milo 02-Mar-04 21:05
Re: I forgot to add... 299 Kboldt 02-Mar-04 21:28
Superiority raises its ugly head 230 Archietype 03-Mar-04 08:12
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 273 Milo 03-Mar-04 15:10
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 277 Archietype 04-Mar-04 17:25
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 265 Milo 04-Mar-04 17:48
Re: writing 337 Archietype 04-Mar-04 18:31
Re: Superiority raises its ugly head 261 Mark Staab 04-Mar-04 18:08
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 291 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:42
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 252 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:10
Over the Rainbow... 323 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:26
Re: Over the Rainbow... 320 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:39
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 286 Lee McGiffen 04-Mar-04 09:32
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 269 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:48
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 338 Milo 04-Mar-04 01:13
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 268 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:04
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 318 Melusine 04-Mar-04 10:07
My two cents... 291 Milo 04-Mar-04 16:16
Re: My two cents... 267 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 18:09
Re: My two cents... 205 Milo 04-Mar-04 19:23
Re: My two cents... 223 Kboldt 04-Mar-04 19:32
Re: My two cents... 312 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:30
Re: My two cents... 301 Melusine 05-Mar-04 09:30
Re: My two cents... 201 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 13:49
Re: My two cents... 234 Melusine 04-Mar-04 21:46
Re: My two cents... 178 Milo 04-Mar-04 22:32
On further thought... 253 Milo 05-Mar-04 06:08
Re: On further thought... 303 Melusine 06-Mar-04 15:29
Re: On further thought... 252 Milo 06-Mar-04 16:55
Re: My two cents too 206 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:30
Re: My two cents too 237 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:09
Re: My two cents too 237 debraregypt 07-Mar-04 17:27
Re: My two cents too 220 Milo 07-Mar-04 18:31
Re: My two cents too 297 Melusine 09-Mar-04 07:41
Re: My two cents too 287 Milo 09-Mar-04 08:07
Re: My two cents too 237 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 08:56
Re: My two cents too 252 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:13
Re: My two cents too 281 debraregypt 10-Mar-04 01:08
Re: My two cents too 252 Milo 10-Mar-04 01:19
Re: My two cents too 289 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 15:01
Big Misunderstanding!!! 299 Milo 10-Mar-04 16:59
Re: Big Misunderstanding!!! 275 Kboldt 10-Mar-04 17:36
Some more cents... 233 Anthony Taylor 09-Mar-04 19:37
Re: Some more cents... 242 Milo 09-Mar-04 20:12
Re: Some more cents... 258 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:22
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 189 Alatariel 05-Mar-04 01:23
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 270 Milo 05-Mar-04 02:36
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 303 smetters 05-Mar-04 13:31
The Message of the Marriage of Cana 314 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 17:08
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 278 smetters 05-Mar-04 17:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 234 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 13:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 273 smetters 08-Mar-04 17:47
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 300 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 19:49
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 319 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 22:40
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 301 Melusine 09-Mar-04 08:20
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 320 smetters 09-Mar-04 13:27
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 270 Kboldt 09-Mar-04 13:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 222 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:02
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 323 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:31
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 263 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 15:57
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 284 smetters 09-Mar-04 16:54
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 243 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:37
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 218 Mark Staab 10-Mar-04 01:42
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 256 Melusine 11-Mar-04 01:52
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 256 Mark Staab 11-Mar-04 07:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 300 Mark Staab 09-Mar-04 16:35
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 179 Melusine 09-Mar-04 22:32
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 257 smetters 10-Mar-04 10:45
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 237 smetters 09-Mar-04 15:18
I for got this part... 316 Kboldt 05-Mar-04 18:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 312 Milo 05-Mar-04 18:21
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 285 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 03:16
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 357 Milo 07-Mar-04 04:13
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 229 David L 07-Mar-04 05:30
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Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 238 Milo 07-Mar-04 06:20
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 307 Melusine 11-Mar-04 02:05
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 221 Kboldt 08-Mar-04 14:53
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 287 Milo 08-Mar-04 16:16
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 321 Alatariel 07-Mar-04 15:58
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 266 David L 07-Mar-04 05:36
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 322 Melusine 11-Mar-04 02:03
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 299 Nebankh 07-Mar-04 22:30
Re: The Message of the Marriage of Cana 254 Melusine 11-Mar-04 04:00
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 257 ananda 04-Mar-04 13:10
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 243 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:34
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 308 ananda 02-Mar-04 23:14
Feudalism is still with us, thanks to the secret socieites 301 Milo 02-Mar-04 23:40
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 243 Melusine 03-Mar-04 03:01
Re: Smokescreen for science and wealth? 332 ananda 03-Mar-04 03:36
The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 296 Milo 03-Mar-04 04:25
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Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 305 Melusine 04-Mar-04 09:52
Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 287 Milo 04-Mar-04 16:45
Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 233 Melusine 04-Mar-04 19:54
Re: The Biblical struggle against the anti-Christ 224 Milo 04-Mar-04 20:28
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 247 smetters 03-Mar-04 20:49
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 254 Alatariel 04-Mar-04 00:52
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 286 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:57
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 220 Alatariel 08-Mar-04 00:03
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Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 303 Melusine 04-Mar-04 01:37
Re: Mysticism and Knights Templars 361 smetters 04-Mar-04 13:45
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Templar Cross at Temple of Karnak, Egypt 217 fisherman 15-Mar-04 23:50
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