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Hi Jaq,

You wrote and quoted:

"Note also that immediately after the miracle:

"The governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now." (John 2:9-10). These words would seem to be addressed to Jesus, such that Jesus and the bridegroom are one and the same."

The govenor is addressing the Bridegroom but I don't think he's addressing Jesus because a) it doesn't say so and b) because, although Jesus produced the better wine, it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus was in charge of it's distribution or of keeping the good wine till last.

You quoted the following from halexandria.org. I'll go though it with some comments:

"In the Fourth Gospel of John, there is the wedding at Cana. To this wedding Jesus is specifically "called" -- which is slightly curious, since he had not yet embarked on his ministry.

Anyone can be "called" to a wedding. A simple invitation is a calling.

"More curious still, however, is the fact that his mother "just happens" as it were, to be present as well. In fact, her presence would seem to be taken for granted."

It's not surprising that Jesus' mother was present with Jesus. Jesus was oviously close to his mother and maybe his mother was also a friend of one the couple that were getting married?

"The plot thickens when it is Mary (Jesus' mother) who not merely suggests to her son, but in effect orders him to replenish the wine. She behaves quite as if she were the hostess. It is also noteworthy that the servants comply with Mary and Jesus' orders."

This again is only specualtion and why doesn't the account simply say that it was Jesus who was getting married?

"One might also wonder if Jesus' first major miracle, the transmutation of water into wine, could have been used for such a banal purpose as some obscure village wedding. And why should two "guests" at a wedding take on themselves the responsibility of catering -- a responsibility that, by custom, should be reserved for the host?"

We don't know that in every wedding the host took responsibility for the catering.

If Jesus was the person getting married, why did his disciples, in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, show surprise that he was showing affection towards Mary and if Jesus was married, why didn't he set the record straight? He didn't though, he just said it was because she had "light".

regards
Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 975 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 348 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 311 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 279 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 279 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 285 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 299 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 294 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 333 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 329 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 322 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 317 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 322 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 334 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 348 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 333 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 328 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 317 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 320 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 281 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 342 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 348 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 340 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 301 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 328 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 322 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 307 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 301 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 296 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 291 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 296 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 302 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 299 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 301 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 271 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 317 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 339 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 294 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 318 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 327 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 335 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 316 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 280 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 305 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 307 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 282 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 273 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 298 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 281 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 334 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 284 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 313 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 309 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 305 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 306 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 300 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 318 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 325 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 331 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 331 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 326 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 326 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 341 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 326 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 323 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 330 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 324 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 317 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 323 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 332 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 284 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 290 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 305 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 306 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 285 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 406 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 302 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 408 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 290 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 387 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 277 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 381 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 375 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 295 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
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Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 309 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 347 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 343 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 376 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 335 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 329 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 327 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 348 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 382 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 325 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 298 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 299 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 317 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 312 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 347 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 338 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 332 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 279 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 344 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 322 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 318 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 285 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 299 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 294 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 305 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 258 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 310 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 285 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 298 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 293 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 285 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 288 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 328 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
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Re: Hmmm... 295 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 292 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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