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Hi Jaq,

You wrote and quoted:

"Note also that immediately after the miracle:

"The governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now." (John 2:9-10). These words would seem to be addressed to Jesus, such that Jesus and the bridegroom are one and the same."

The govenor is addressing the Bridegroom but I don't think he's addressing Jesus because a) it doesn't say so and b) because, although Jesus produced the better wine, it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus was in charge of it's distribution or of keeping the good wine till last.

You quoted the following from halexandria.org. I'll go though it with some comments:

"In the Fourth Gospel of John, there is the wedding at Cana. To this wedding Jesus is specifically "called" -- which is slightly curious, since he had not yet embarked on his ministry.

Anyone can be "called" to a wedding. A simple invitation is a calling.

"More curious still, however, is the fact that his mother "just happens" as it were, to be present as well. In fact, her presence would seem to be taken for granted."

It's not surprising that Jesus' mother was present with Jesus. Jesus was oviously close to his mother and maybe his mother was also a friend of one the couple that were getting married?

"The plot thickens when it is Mary (Jesus' mother) who not merely suggests to her son, but in effect orders him to replenish the wine. She behaves quite as if she were the hostess. It is also noteworthy that the servants comply with Mary and Jesus' orders."

This again is only specualtion and why doesn't the account simply say that it was Jesus who was getting married?

"One might also wonder if Jesus' first major miracle, the transmutation of water into wine, could have been used for such a banal purpose as some obscure village wedding. And why should two "guests" at a wedding take on themselves the responsibility of catering -- a responsibility that, by custom, should be reserved for the host?"

We don't know that in every wedding the host took responsibility for the catering.

If Jesus was the person getting married, why did his disciples, in the Gnostic Gospel of Philip, show surprise that he was showing affection towards Mary and if Jesus was married, why didn't he set the record straight? He didn't though, he just said it was because she had "light".

regards
Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 896 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 323 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 251 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 252 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 259 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 273 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 273 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 265 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 305 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 296 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 289 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 284 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 292 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 321 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 303 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 301 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 294 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 248 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 315 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 326 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 263 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 318 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 273 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 307 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 253 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 276 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 274 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 265 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 268 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 239 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 290 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 265 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 308 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 288 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 253 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 278 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 281 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 256 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 245 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 268 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 250 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 264 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 253 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 303 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 285 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 282 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 279 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 280 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 274 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 246 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 298 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 312 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 295 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
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Re: And by the way... 257 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 264 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 279 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 280 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 263 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 371 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 277 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 374 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 262 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 357 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 251 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
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Re: And by the way... 265 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
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Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 320 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 308 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 342 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 305 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 355 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 298 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 272 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 272 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 290 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 321 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 305 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 251 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 317 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 285 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 258 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 277 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 274 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
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Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 239 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 287 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 275 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 270 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 247 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 273 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 264 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
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Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 264 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 304 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
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Re: Hmmm... 271 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 273 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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