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Milo wrote:

> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
> and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
> Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
> made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was
> the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the
> darkness has not understood it." - John 1
>
> Isaiah 55:
>
> 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
> so are my ways higher than your ways
> and my thoughts than your thoughts.
> 10 As the rain and the snow
> come down from heaven,
> and do not return to it
> without watering the earth
> and making it bud and flourish,
> so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
> 11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
> It will not return to me empty,
> but will accomplish what I desire
> and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
>
> Spiritual traditions develop when spiritually aware people
> grasp some aspect they see in the spirit and translate it
> into symbols, words and systems, etc. Some of these may be
> accurate, some may not, some may even be dangerous for the
> unprepared.
>

> Rob


Hi Rob,

I agree with the thread of your post rea Jesus's Presence existing before his physical presence on earth began. I also agree that Ananda has not proved her point that Christianity is simply a borrowing from lots of older religions (through that one at Drak1 one about Islam and you mind find yourself accused of being anti-Islam).

To digress, I have read the argument that Humankind's desire to seek a spiritual side to their being is God's marker or barcode, if you will, on all of humankind. This analogy would reinforce your idea of Jesus's presence existing on earth prior to his arrival.

The reason I have left your quote from the Bible in is to make a simple point. If you find a sophisticated concept existing in a text from ancient history (or history with John) does this not beg a question. Where did this concept come from. How did human beings in all their primitiveness conjure this idea of Heavens and an alternate plan of existence. I ask this question because it does seem to me an intuitive leap in primitive reasoning. It is more like Divine inspiration. Or perhaps a Divine marker.

Paul

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 896 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 323 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 251 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 253 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 259 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 273 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 274 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 266 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 306 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 296 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 289 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 284 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 292 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 302 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 321 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 304 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 302 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 294 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 248 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 316 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 327 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 264 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 318 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 274 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 307 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 265 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 275 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 254 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 277 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 275 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 266 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 240 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 290 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 265 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 296 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 308 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 289 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 253 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 278 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 281 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 256 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 245 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 268 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 251 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 264 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 253 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 304 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 285 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 283 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 279 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 280 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 275 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 246 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 299 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 312 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 296 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 257 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 264 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 279 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 280 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 263 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 371 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 277 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 374 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 263 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 357 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 251 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 353 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 346 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 265 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 329 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 456 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 320 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 309 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 343 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 305 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 355 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 291 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 298 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 273 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 273 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 290 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 321 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 306 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 252 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 317 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 285 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 258 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 277 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 275 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 282 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 239 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 287 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 275 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 270 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 247 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 273 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 264 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 262 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 264 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 304 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 289 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 272 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 273 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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