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ananda wrote:
>
> Sheesh. It's so hard to discuss so many faulty and illogical
> statements at once.
>
> First, I don't read the Bible as fact or history, just as a
> compilation of writings composed over a period of years by
> many people in many places.

But you have asked (not sure if you did in your original post in this thread) on previous occaisions if anyone thinks that Jesus actually exised...

I don't think the Bible was intended as a history book in the sense of how we think of history books today. It is, though, IMHO, primarily a record of man's spiritual journey through an inhospitable world.

> Secondly, I don't consider the Bible authoritative on
> anything. I'm not at all convinced that Jesus as we know him
> was a real person, though it's possible that he's an amalgam
> of various religious, mythological, and even perhaps real
> people... a personage who evolved with the telling, the
> composing, and the dialogues and discussions of many groups,
> from grass roots sects to high church councils.

I believe that he probably did exist. From various records, we know that there was a religious sect growing rapidly approximately 30 years and onwards after the reported death of Jesus. Several sources documented this, including Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, etc.

What's amazing is that the people in this Christian sect, refered to by these sources, were claiming that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem within people's lifetime!

Do you think such a sect would continue growing if someone came forward and said he'd been a temple guard or a roman soldier all through that period and had never heard of this Jesus character?

However, the main point is that there is not a single piece of evidence from this period saying that there was a sect which believed in the a man that didn't even exist, comments that surely such a fast growing religion would attract if there was any doubt of his very existence!

The lack of contemporary evidence disclaining either his existence or his reported words is pretty strong evidence in itself!

> Thirdly, I've done a search, and everything I'm finding
> supports my idea as stated in the first post... that Jesus is
> something of a composite of older or other religious figures
> such as Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc., and something of a
> Jewish-Roman creation.

Why don't you produce your research for scrutiny? I'd love to see what you've come up with that makes you feel so certain.

> About haloes... did I ever say or imply that the word halo
> was used in the Bible? Sheesh.

No, I didn't say you did either! But I was only covering all angles. I don't know why you have a problem with that. However, you did say that you could see something of Horus and Mithra in the depictions of Christ. What makes you think that then?

> I'm starting to feel a bit spammed and disrespected by your
> incessant, difficult to discuss, posts. I would like others
> to feel comfortable discussing these issues as well.

How am I stopping others from discussing these issues? Again you don't say... but what's new?

I am also not spamming you. That is an ad hominem attack on me because you don't want to have your views challenged.

I'll leave it to others to work out why you have difficulty replying to my posts but the answer is pretty obvious to me!

> Also, I don't respect Holding as a source at all. He's too
> biased as an evangelical bible thumping Christian.

Holding is not a Bible thumping Christian. If that's the best you can do to discredit a sincere researcher, it's a pretty tacky attempt, unless of course you can show that he's a Bible thumper but you never give anything to back up your claims, do you!

Holdings article is well referenced and well written article, unless, for a change, you can show otherwise.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 975 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 348 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 311 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 279 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 285 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 299 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 294 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 333 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 329 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 322 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 317 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 322 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 334 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 348 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 333 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 328 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 317 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 320 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 281 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 342 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 348 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 340 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 301 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 328 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 322 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 307 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 301 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 296 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 291 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 296 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 302 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 299 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 301 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 271 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 317 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 339 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 294 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 318 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 327 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 335 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 316 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 280 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 305 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 307 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 282 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 273 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 298 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 281 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 334 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 284 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 313 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 309 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 305 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 306 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 300 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 318 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 325 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 331 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 331 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 326 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 326 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 341 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 326 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 323 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 330 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 324 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 317 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 323 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 332 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 284 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 290 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 305 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 306 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 285 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 406 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 302 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 408 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 290 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 387 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 277 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 381 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 375 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 295 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 361 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 507 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 309 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 347 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 343 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 376 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 335 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 329 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 327 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 348 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 382 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 325 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 298 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 299 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 317 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 312 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 347 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 338 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 332 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 315 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 279 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 344 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 322 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 318 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 285 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 299 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 294 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 305 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 258 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 310 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 285 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 298 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 293 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 285 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 288 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 328 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 306 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 295 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 292 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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