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ananda wrote:
>
> Sheesh. It's so hard to discuss so many faulty and illogical
> statements at once.
>
> First, I don't read the Bible as fact or history, just as a
> compilation of writings composed over a period of years by
> many people in many places.

But you have asked (not sure if you did in your original post in this thread) on previous occaisions if anyone thinks that Jesus actually exised...

I don't think the Bible was intended as a history book in the sense of how we think of history books today. It is, though, IMHO, primarily a record of man's spiritual journey through an inhospitable world.

> Secondly, I don't consider the Bible authoritative on
> anything. I'm not at all convinced that Jesus as we know him
> was a real person, though it's possible that he's an amalgam
> of various religious, mythological, and even perhaps real
> people... a personage who evolved with the telling, the
> composing, and the dialogues and discussions of many groups,
> from grass roots sects to high church councils.

I believe that he probably did exist. From various records, we know that there was a religious sect growing rapidly approximately 30 years and onwards after the reported death of Jesus. Several sources documented this, including Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, etc.

What's amazing is that the people in this Christian sect, refered to by these sources, were claiming that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem within people's lifetime!

Do you think such a sect would continue growing if someone came forward and said he'd been a temple guard or a roman soldier all through that period and had never heard of this Jesus character?

However, the main point is that there is not a single piece of evidence from this period saying that there was a sect which believed in the a man that didn't even exist, comments that surely such a fast growing religion would attract if there was any doubt of his very existence!

The lack of contemporary evidence disclaining either his existence or his reported words is pretty strong evidence in itself!

> Thirdly, I've done a search, and everything I'm finding
> supports my idea as stated in the first post... that Jesus is
> something of a composite of older or other religious figures
> such as Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc., and something of a
> Jewish-Roman creation.

Why don't you produce your research for scrutiny? I'd love to see what you've come up with that makes you feel so certain.

> About haloes... did I ever say or imply that the word halo
> was used in the Bible? Sheesh.

No, I didn't say you did either! But I was only covering all angles. I don't know why you have a problem with that. However, you did say that you could see something of Horus and Mithra in the depictions of Christ. What makes you think that then?

> I'm starting to feel a bit spammed and disrespected by your
> incessant, difficult to discuss, posts. I would like others
> to feel comfortable discussing these issues as well.

How am I stopping others from discussing these issues? Again you don't say... but what's new?

I am also not spamming you. That is an ad hominem attack on me because you don't want to have your views challenged.

I'll leave it to others to work out why you have difficulty replying to my posts but the answer is pretty obvious to me!

> Also, I don't respect Holding as a source at all. He's too
> biased as an evangelical bible thumping Christian.

Holding is not a Bible thumping Christian. If that's the best you can do to discredit a sincere researcher, it's a pretty tacky attempt, unless of course you can show that he's a Bible thumper but you never give anything to back up your claims, do you!

Holdings article is well referenced and well written article, unless, for a change, you can show otherwise.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 896 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 323 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 284 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 250 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 252 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 259 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 273 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 273 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 265 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 305 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 296 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 289 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 284 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 292 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 301 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 321 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 303 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 301 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 294 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 248 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 315 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 326 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 263 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 318 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 273 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 307 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 253 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 270 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 276 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 274 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 265 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 268 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 239 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 290 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 265 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 308 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 288 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 253 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 278 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 281 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 256 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 245 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 268 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 250 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 264 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 253 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 303 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 257 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 285 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 282 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 279 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 280 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 274 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 292 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 271 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 289 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 246 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 298 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 312 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 299 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 298 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 295 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 257 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 264 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 279 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 280 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 263 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 371 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 277 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 374 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 262 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 357 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 251 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 352 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 346 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 265 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 329 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 456 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 320 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 308 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 342 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 305 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 319 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 355 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 297 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 272 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 272 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 290 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 272 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 321 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 305 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 295 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 251 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 317 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 285 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 258 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 277 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 274 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 282 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 239 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 275 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 270 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 264 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 247 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 273 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 263 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 261 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 264 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 304 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 288 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 271 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 273 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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