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ananda wrote:
>
> Sheesh. It's so hard to discuss so many faulty and illogical
> statements at once.
>
> First, I don't read the Bible as fact or history, just as a
> compilation of writings composed over a period of years by
> many people in many places.

But you have asked (not sure if you did in your original post in this thread) on previous occaisions if anyone thinks that Jesus actually exised...

I don't think the Bible was intended as a history book in the sense of how we think of history books today. It is, though, IMHO, primarily a record of man's spiritual journey through an inhospitable world.

> Secondly, I don't consider the Bible authoritative on
> anything. I'm not at all convinced that Jesus as we know him
> was a real person, though it's possible that he's an amalgam
> of various religious, mythological, and even perhaps real
> people... a personage who evolved with the telling, the
> composing, and the dialogues and discussions of many groups,
> from grass roots sects to high church councils.

I believe that he probably did exist. From various records, we know that there was a religious sect growing rapidly approximately 30 years and onwards after the reported death of Jesus. Several sources documented this, including Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, etc.

What's amazing is that the people in this Christian sect, refered to by these sources, were claiming that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem within people's lifetime!

Do you think such a sect would continue growing if someone came forward and said he'd been a temple guard or a roman soldier all through that period and had never heard of this Jesus character?

However, the main point is that there is not a single piece of evidence from this period saying that there was a sect which believed in the a man that didn't even exist, comments that surely such a fast growing religion would attract if there was any doubt of his very existence!

The lack of contemporary evidence disclaining either his existence or his reported words is pretty strong evidence in itself!

> Thirdly, I've done a search, and everything I'm finding
> supports my idea as stated in the first post... that Jesus is
> something of a composite of older or other religious figures
> such as Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc., and something of a
> Jewish-Roman creation.

Why don't you produce your research for scrutiny? I'd love to see what you've come up with that makes you feel so certain.

> About haloes... did I ever say or imply that the word halo
> was used in the Bible? Sheesh.

No, I didn't say you did either! But I was only covering all angles. I don't know why you have a problem with that. However, you did say that you could see something of Horus and Mithra in the depictions of Christ. What makes you think that then?

> I'm starting to feel a bit spammed and disrespected by your
> incessant, difficult to discuss, posts. I would like others
> to feel comfortable discussing these issues as well.

How am I stopping others from discussing these issues? Again you don't say... but what's new?

I am also not spamming you. That is an ad hominem attack on me because you don't want to have your views challenged.

I'll leave it to others to work out why you have difficulty replying to my posts but the answer is pretty obvious to me!

> Also, I don't respect Holding as a source at all. He's too
> biased as an evangelical bible thumping Christian.

Holding is not a Bible thumping Christian. If that's the best you can do to discredit a sincere researcher, it's a pretty tacky attempt, unless of course you can show that he's a Bible thumper but you never give anything to back up your claims, do you!

Holdings article is well referenced and well written article, unless, for a change, you can show otherwise.

Rob

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Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 948 ananda 23-Feb-04 02:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 338 Milo 23-Feb-04 04:18
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 04:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 266 Milo 23-Feb-04 05:12
Mod Comment to you two 268 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 14:42
Re: Mod Comment to you two 274 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:00
Fallen Angels & Co. 289 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:09
Re: Fallen Angels & Co. 290 Milo 23-Feb-04 15:18
Yes .. ups.. sorry..n/t 283 Nejc 23-Feb-04 15:27
it's me - lol 321 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:19
Re: it's me - lol 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:21
No probs n/t 312 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 16:30
Re: Divine Beings 306 Nebankh 23-Feb-04 16:47
Re: Divine Beings 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 17:17
Divine Agreement to Differ 307 Thirdwave 23-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Divine Agreement to Differ 318 Milo 23-Feb-04 18:22
Believers and Researchers 337 Nejc 23-Feb-04 18:48
I am not a blind believer but a researcher 321 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:01
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 318 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:15
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 306 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:19
Oh. Thanks for this one :) n/t 309 Nejc 23-Feb-04 19:22
Re: I am not a blind believer but a researcher 263 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:21
On the other hand... 332 Nejc 23-Feb-04 20:21
Re: On the other hand... 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:39
Re: Divine Beings 340 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:00
Re: Divine Beings 279 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:09
Re: Divine Beings 332 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 19:24
Re: Divine Beings 290 David L 23-Feb-04 22:42
Is there another site for serious discussion? 320 drowningcreek 23-Feb-04 23:09
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 311 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 18:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 297 Milo 24-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 David L 25-Feb-04 01:48
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 274 Milo 25-Feb-04 02:14
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 291 David L 25-Feb-04 03:03
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 269 Milo 25-Feb-04 06:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 David L 25-Feb-04 16:30
No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 282 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:18
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 286 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:47
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 293 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:54
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 285 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:58
Re: Cana 291 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:30
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 282 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:32
Re: Cana - missed off a bit! 285 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:05
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 255 Milo 25-Feb-04 17:57
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 307 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:36
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 319 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 10:19
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 279 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:01
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 308 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:14
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 312 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:23
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 325 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:27
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 304 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 269 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:01
Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 295 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:30
Re: Augustinian vs. Gnostic (and even Pelagian) 296 Milo 26-Feb-04 17:43
In Addition.... 271 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:50
Point was missed 262 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:58
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 284 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 18:45
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 263 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 18:53
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 281 ArmchairObserver 25-Feb-04 19:02
I misread the quoted passage... 270 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:28
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 319 David L 25-Feb-04 23:20
Re: I misread the quoted passage... 274 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:31
One more thing... 302 David L 25-Feb-04 23:25
Re: One more thing... 299 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:32
Also... 294 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:41
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 295 David L 25-Feb-04 23:08
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 291 Thirdwave 25-Feb-04 23:33
Re: No Evidence for Jesus' Marriage 308 Milo 25-Feb-04 23:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 286 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:01
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 285 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:37
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 280 Milo 25-Feb-04 19:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 sunbeam 23-Feb-04 15:50
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 309 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:15
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 316 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 319 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:25
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 306 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 312 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:49
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 290 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 262 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:26
Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 314 Jaimi 23-Feb-04 21:04
Re: Osirus - Seprapis - Christianity 327 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 314 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 313 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:32
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 314 Paul Mallon 24-Feb-04 19:43
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 307 Milo 24-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 307 Milo 23-Feb-04 16:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 278 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:35
And by the way... 312 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:36
Re: And by the way... 322 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:42
Re: And by the way... 274 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:14
Re: And by the way... 280 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:28
Re: And by the way... 295 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 16:48
Sources? 296 ananda 26-Feb-04 17:24
Re: Sources? 276 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 18:29
Re: And by the way... 390 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 17:00
Re: And by the way... 293 Kboldt 26-Feb-04 17:45
Re: And by the way... 392 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 18:20
Re: And by the way... 278 ananda 26-Feb-04 18:49
Re: And by the way... 375 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 19:15
Re: And by the way... 267 ananda 26-Feb-04 21:11
Re: And by the way... 370 Zosimos 26-Feb-04 23:30
Re: And by the way... 363 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 00:14
Re: And by the way... 281 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 13:35
Re: And by the way... 347 Zosimos 27-Feb-04 16:44
Re: And by the way... 489 Kboldt 27-Feb-04 16:46
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:40
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 294 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 337 Milo 23-Feb-04 19:57
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 325 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:19
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 359 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:23
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 322 ananda 23-Feb-04 20:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 318 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:34
Challenge to Milo 315 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:21
Re: Challenge to Milo 334 Milo 23-Feb-04 21:38
Re: Challenge to Milo 371 ananda 23-Feb-04 21:43
Re: Challenge to Milo 308 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:31
Yes you are n/t 314 Nejc 23-Feb-04 21:56
Re: Yes you are n/t 289 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:25
Then again... 288 Nejc 24-Feb-04 08:31
Big Blue :) 305 Thirdwave 24-Feb-04 10:54
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 287 debraregypt 23-Feb-04 15:53
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 300 ananda 23-Feb-04 16:16
Archetypes of the collective unconscious 336 ananda 23-Feb-04 19:55
Re: Archetypes of the collective unconscious 324 Milo 23-Feb-04 20:04
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 321 David L 23-Feb-04 22:28
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 303 Milo 23-Feb-04 23:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 311 David L 24-Feb-04 01:35
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 304 Milo 24-Feb-04 01:47
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 279 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:51
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 267 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:22
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 332 Lee McGiffen 26-Feb-04 08:24
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 310 Milo 26-Feb-04 15:55
Lee... What about Moses? 300 ananda 26-Feb-04 16:12
Evidence that Jesus Existed 273 Milo 26-Feb-04 16:16
Re: Lee... What about Moses? 290 David L 26-Feb-04 20:37
Deblinkering debunkers... 286 Morph 24-Feb-04 15:26
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 292 Zosimos 24-Feb-04 18:50
Re: Deblinkering debunkers... 249 Morph 25-Feb-04 15:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 302 Lee McGiffen 25-Feb-04 09:58
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 288 ananda 25-Feb-04 13:10
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 283 Milo 25-Feb-04 16:33
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 277 Kboldt 25-Feb-04 19:27
Re: Christ:Mithra ... Mary:Isis ... 258 Zosimos 25-Feb-04 21:16
Re: Christ and Dionysis - good article 288 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 17:58
6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 277 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:05
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 275 Nebankh 25-Feb-04 18:14
Re: 6th of January not mentioned in the Bible 277 Milo 25-Feb-04 18:34
Hmmm... 315 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:16
Re: Hmmm... 299 Morph 26-Feb-04 15:20
Re: Hmmm... 286 Nebankh 26-Feb-04 16:44
Au Contraire... 285 Morph 27-Feb-04 14:36


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