Milo wrote:
>
> Hi Cleo,
>
> I don't see how Satan can win the Grail either because to
> completely possess it, he would have to completely cut
> mankind off from God and if he were to do that, mankind would
> become exinct and if mankind were to become extinct, Satan
> would no longer have a source of "food" and he too would fade
> and wither into oblivion, so either way, Satan is in a no-win
> situation.

Thanks Rob. I appreciate your opinions. I agree. So it is more about keeping us away from it. I don't think there would be any way to cut man off from God. That scenario is quite impossible for the reasons you mentioned. Which is why everyone always has power over evil, even if they don't know they do. I personally don't view Satan as a organised consciousness do you? It's more like a random and chaotic happening isn't it? Unless you see Satan as the fallen angel being that looks after those living a hellish random chaotic materialistic life.

It appears that as one focuses more away from spirit and takes part in the illusions of physical life, the more disordered and hellish their experience, so it can't be an organised consciousness, can it? The more they focus on spirit the more ordered and enlightened and wise they become. Unless its an unorganised, chaotic consciousness. But then that is the exact opposite of what a consciousness is! Consciousness has to be organised to come into being doesn't it?

I am reading a book all about a real person's experience of hell on earth! Its a novel called The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart. Its about a psychiatrist, who in his dispair over not making any sense out of the human condition, and how to cure people, decides he no longer wants to live. Until one night he sees a die on the table and uses it to make a choice for him. So basically he begins to live a random life based on how the dice fall. He chooses things to do, personalities to act out and so forth and he procedes to completely destroy his Self. The idea at first, was to allow aspects of himself to come to the surface, whereas before the dominant, or expected self would always win. So for example he might give himself a one in six chance to go have intimate relations with his best friends wife, 2 chances in six to go to bed and do nothing, and 3 chances in six to sleep with his wife. And he is totally comitted to obeying the die no matter what misery it creates for him! It becomes his whole religion, the dice become God. He is a mere servent of the die. It is the story of hell!!!!! I'll warn you though, the book is not for the delicate person! It is extremely sexually explicit and outrageously...umm...random. He often breaks the law, commits crimes and acts on completely immoral impulses. And in the process he completely destroys his former life, except he continues to use dice therapy on his patients and opens whole centers for dice people. And he gets his friends and family involved in dice life to some degree. It is a very intelligently written book and very thought provoking for sure. Mostly because you can never decide if he is acutely sane or acutely insane. It's most definately the wildest and most disturbing biography I've ever read!

;-)Cleo